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by jundocohen
Fri Jul 20, 2018 3:05 am
Forum: Soto
Topic: Satori ala Soto
Replies: 18
Views: 978

Re: Satori ala Soto

The above perspectives (and non-perspectives) on Practice might help clarify some of what Rev. Meido may possibly have misunderstood when he visited a Soto group in California. For example ... ... there is no need for awakening, fruition of practice, or realization. Well, that depends on which part ...
by jundocohen
Fri Jul 20, 2018 1:50 am
Forum: Ask a Question
Topic: Finding the right teacher (it is proving difficult)
Replies: 18
Views: 785

Re: Finding the right teacher (it is proving difficult)

And if you really, really get desperate, and will accept anything at that point ... Treeleaf Zendo is an online practice place for Zen practitioners who cannot easily commute to a Zen Center due to health concerns, living in remote areas, or childcare, work and family needs, and seeks to provide Zaz...
by jundocohen
Thu Jul 19, 2018 4:35 pm
Forum: Soto
Topic: Satori ala Soto
Replies: 18
Views: 978

Re: Satori ala Soto

And yet "getting somewhere" is what took Dogen to China. So I can see where some doubt could creep in for some people. The 18 year guy was White Plum. Admittedly not pure Soto. The 30 year guy was originally a student of Daido (Yamahata) Hogen Roshi (Abbot of Chogen-ji Temple, Japan). He later stud...
by jundocohen
Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:44 pm
Forum: Soto
Topic: Satori ala Soto
Replies: 18
Views: 978

Re: Satori ala Soto

The other side of the coin to my two Soto friends, I mentioned in another thread, who abandoned ship after 18 & 30 years because they didn't feel they were getting anywhere. As you said, different paths for different people. And who knows what they were taught! I might say that, if they did not fee...
by jundocohen
Thu Jul 19, 2018 2:46 pm
Forum: Soto
Topic: Satori ala Soto
Replies: 18
Views: 978

Re: Satori ala Soto

Thank you for your kind response. If I could just pile on some addional questions: Is it correct to say this does not mean literally trying to stop thoughts here like a dead or unconscious being, but something more like seeing or passing through them? Not being caught up in them? Isn’t Great Faith,...
by jundocohen
Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:30 pm
Forum: Soto
Topic: Satori ala Soto
Replies: 18
Views: 978

Re: Satori ala Soto

Wouldn’t “the shell.... was always a creation of the student's own divided mind” be shared by pretty much all Mahayana Buddhism, certainly all Zen sects? Yes. The difference is merely in the method to realize that fact. In one method, one might seeks very deep samadhi states in which the shell is s...
by jundocohen
Thu Jul 19, 2018 11:23 am
Forum: Soto
Topic: Satori ala Soto
Replies: 18
Views: 978

Re: Satori ala Soto

The assertion that one "must first have Kensho to experience Shikantaza fully" is incorrect in the Soto way. Here is why. It is something of a "chicken or the egg" assertion. One might say, "the chicken must first be out of the shell to experience liberation." In the standard Rinzai image, the maste...
by jundocohen
Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:13 am
Forum: Thien
Topic: Rinzai? Soto? Both? Neither?
Replies: 26
Views: 711

Re: Rinzai? Soto? Both? Neither?

desert_woodworker wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 2:47 am
The Vietnamese monks who immolated themselves in the 1960s... were they not Thien monks? --Joe
I don't believe that Lineages are ever so simple in Vietnam, and it might be better just to say that they were Mahayana monks.

Gassho, J
by jundocohen
Wed Jul 18, 2018 11:01 am
Forum: Soto
Topic: Satori ala Soto
Replies: 18
Views: 978

Satori ala Soto

The legendary modern Soto Master, 'Homeless' Kodo Sawaki, is noted for teachings like this: Zazen isn’t like a thermometer where the temperature slowly rises: “Just a little more … yeah … that’s it! Now, I’ve got satori!” Zazen never becomes anything special, no matter how long you practice. If it b...
by jundocohen
Tue Jul 17, 2018 12:27 am
Forum: Zen Buddhism
Topic: A Small Mischaracterization ..
Replies: 42
Views: 1745

Re: A Small Mischaracterization ..

By the way, Zoketsu Norman Fischer has a pretty good series on Layman P'ang out recently that is very rich. I actually am not such a fan of the P'ang koans, which I consider to be a bit of the pure "one upmanship" type (although in this case, typically between peers, each both host and guest, withou...
by jundocohen
Tue Jul 17, 2018 12:17 am
Forum: Thien
Topic: Rinzai? Soto? Both? Neither?
Replies: 26
Views: 711

Re: Rinzai? Soto? Both? Neither?

Does anyone have experience with this book which, although now 40 years old, seems to be one of the few on the topic? Seems like surprisingly few histories in English of Vietnamese Zen. https://www.amazon.com/Buddhism-Zen-Vietnam-Relation-Development-ebook/dp/B00C2CJ0GY/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=153178...
by jundocohen
Tue Jul 17, 2018 12:12 am
Forum: Thien
Topic: Rinzai? Soto? Both? Neither?
Replies: 26
Views: 711

Re: Rinzai? Soto? Both? Neither?

Great Sage; Thank you for your informative posts. But I disagree with you on the following: People have compared the two meditation styles, I have heard it said that Thich Naht Hanh's style is much like Soto Zen. Personally, I couldn't agree with that because (1) it's more samatha than it is Vipass...
by jundocohen
Mon Jul 16, 2018 4:56 am
Forum: Thien
Topic: Rinzai? Soto? Both? Neither?
Replies: 26
Views: 711

Re: Rinzai? Soto? Both? Neither?

As I understand it, the Soto of Japan is all that remains of Caodong School of Chan Oh, that is not true at all. Caodong remains in China and Taiwan, although (according to Holmes Welch and others) the lineage has become virtually indistinguishable from the Linji line and Pure Land (all mixed toget...
by jundocohen
Mon Jul 16, 2018 1:45 am
Forum: Thien
Topic: Rinzai? Soto? Both? Neither?
Replies: 26
Views: 711

Re: Rinzai? Soto? Both? Neither?

My understanding, from some sitting at a Monastery in Vietnam and some recent reading on Vietnamese Zen History, is that "Zen" (Thien) died out in Vietnam many generations ago, At least, that is according to the information I have (I do not quite understand where TNH would fit in such a claim). For ...
by jundocohen
Fri Jul 13, 2018 2:24 pm
Forum: Zen Buddhism
Topic: A Small Mischaracterization ..
Replies: 42
Views: 1745

Re: A Small Mischaracterization ..

Yes: the group I encountered at least, whose members explained to me they were taught that what occurs during practice is utterly unimportant because "everything is already Buddha"; that practice itself need not be done, and no instruction is given about how to practice, for the same reason; that a...
by jundocohen
Thu Jul 12, 2018 10:53 am
Forum: Zen Buddhism
Topic: A Small Mischaracterization ..
Replies: 42
Views: 1745

Re: A Small Mischaracterization ..

I may write more on that later. That would be interesting. Would you be willing to talk about your Kensho as an example? Or other descriptions of Soto Kenshos? Obviously taking into account what you say about the varieties of understanding & meaning. Hi Larry, That's all I every talk about, until f...
by jundocohen
Thu Jul 12, 2018 6:21 am
Forum: Zen Buddhism
Topic: A Small Mischaracterization ..
Replies: 42
Views: 1745

Re: A Small Mischaracterization ..

Hi Clyde, Yes, yes, no "food fights," and happy to leave discussions of rebirth for the next life. Perhaps better to discuss what is "mainstream" or "orthodoxy", and in which living person's eyes. Perhaps we also need to be very careful in pronouncing on others' traditions, much like a Catholic prie...
by jundocohen
Thu Jul 12, 2018 3:36 am
Forum: Zen Buddhism
Topic: A Small Mischaracterization ..
Replies: 42
Views: 1745

Re: A Small Mischaracterization ..

Hi Rev. Meido (would you mind sometimes calling me Rev. Jundo or the like? It is just nice to do so.) Thank you for responding. I did provide a link to the full discussion, so anyone can judge the context. Alas, I am unable to join in there, but since the topic is Zen, I hope we might continue a bit...
by jundocohen
Thu Jul 12, 2018 1:01 am
Forum: Zen Buddhism
Topic: A Small Mischaracterization ..
Replies: 42
Views: 1745

A Small Mischaracterization ..

Dear All, Dear Rev. Meido ... I hope that I may respectfully demur and raise objection to a comment you made elsewhere which not only mischaracterizes modern Soto Zen practice, but the Buddhism of some other western teachers ... FWIW, in my conversations with Chan, Zen, Son, and Thien folks I've dis...
by jundocohen
Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:42 pm
Forum: Lounge
Topic: Dreams, lucid dreams, Astral projection..
Replies: 14
Views: 338

Re: Dreams, lucid dreams, Astral projection..

I very much agree Jundo, nevertheless what I've experienced I've experienced and has nothing to do with believe or thinking nor can it ever be measure by "ordinary world" science, so the discussion whether things are true or not I don't find very functional. Furthermore saying "I experience" is alr...