Mason wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 15, 2018 10:12 am
If posture requires any kind of unnatural straining, then it's not correct posture, in my opinion. With a teacher, one may go astray - but it will indeed be a less lonely straying. But don't think having a teacher gives you immunity from this.
Mason, I've been in these circles over 40 years of formal and daily home practice, and don't feel astray. I've not seen my several Ch'an Buddhist and Zen Buddhist teachers lead anyone "astray". I don't know where you get that. I'll guess it may come from not being in a Zen Buddhist practice situation with teacher and sangha. That's certainly OK!, and not uncommon, but it's said 'life is short'. You must be the Judge, Yerhonor.
If one would like to learn something, it's generally widely recognized that it's good to learn from someone who has already accomplished it, and is still applied to it and practicing/exercising it. I'm a woodworker, and teach some people that stuff. I'm also a Buddhist Yoga teacher, and teach that to practitioners, too. I think that too much "criticism" of teachers and our relationship with them is not realistic and not experience-based, and so is not criticism in an informed sense, but is ignorance, and unhealthy paranoia and propaganda. I don't think that I've just been "lucky", to have had only very fine
teachers. I'm not special: I'm just a Human-"bean
But, granted: "Small-Number Statistics" (one... ). As a Scientist, I admit that, in so many words.
But I think that anyone with at least a luke-warm I.Q. can find a good teacher, and stay with him or her and his or her sangha.
By the way: "IDEAL posture" is what you can strike today
, and be comfortable in (IMO). Granted, some
discomfort arises after longer sitting periods, and repeated sittings. That is a part of the landscape of our Zen Buddhist practice. It's called "working-at-one's-edge", as in all Yoga
practice generally. Wonderful... .
By all means, ask Meido Roshi here about any of this. Or other teachers/Teachers. I myself am opining here about the Ch'an-Buddhist and Zen-Buddhist context of practice, and not about others.
A modern teacher said that "Pain in the legs is the flavor of Zen
". But, don't believe it: EXPERIENCE it! With teacher/Teacher and sangha/Sangha.
(a little play to Dan, there, with his Upper-case, or not-upper-case),
So funny, all that dithering; remarkable nonsense... ,
Wishes for strong practice,