Ideal Posture

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Re: Ideal Posture

Post by desert_woodworker » Sun Dec 23, 2018 4:14 pm

My "posture" with regard to that, Fuki, is, "sounds good!"

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Re: Ideal Posture

Post by fuki » Sun Dec 23, 2018 4:18 pm

desert_woodworker wrote:
Sun Dec 23, 2018 4:14 pm
My "posture" with regard to that, Fuki, is, "sounds good!"

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Re: Ideal Posture

Post by loves' the unjust » Sun Dec 23, 2018 5:07 pm

desert_woodworker wrote: But see what the qualified and confirmed Ch'an- and Son- and Thien- and Zen-Buddhist teachers say, Please!
i get my answer, thanks.
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Re: Ideal Posture

Post by desert_woodworker » Sun Dec 23, 2018 5:30 pm

fuki wrote:
Sun Dec 23, 2018 4:18 pm
desert_woodworker wrote:
Sun Dec 23, 2018 4:14 pm
My "posture" with regard to that, Fuki, is, "sounds good!"
Thanks Brother, your "support" means a lot.
Fuki, we sure know how to throw a ball around and have a good time. ;)

(sharing info and sport, er-r, support!)

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Re: Ideal Posture

Post by loves' the unjust » Sun Dec 23, 2018 7:58 pm

desert_woodworker wrote:
Sun Dec 23, 2018 2:17 pm
Enver, good morning,
Enver M. wrote:
Sun Dec 23, 2018 7:19 am
Joe--

Can we say that Zen can be find in motion
and zazen in static (stagnant)?
See what a Zen Buddhist teacher such as Meido would say, or a Ch'an Buddhist teacher such as Guo Gu would say!

I myself would say that we practice zazen as a way of coming to see our original face, and we bring it into the realm of activity when we practice kinhin (a walking practice in the zendo), and when we practice samu in the zendo (work-practice, like cleaning, and preparing meals). Bringing the original mind into these activities is a gentle way of learning that samadhi need not be "scared-away" when we emerge from our stationary zazen posture. It is a training for us in helping to cause to remain the samadhi state, or a samadhi state of some depth, "24-7".

In other words, and to answer your very good question, my answer would be that zazen is for everyday-life, and its benefits and blessings are appreciated when stationary and when moving and working.

But see what the qualified and confirmed Ch'an- and Son- and Thien- and Zen-Buddhist teachers say, Please!

--Joe

Like zazen is learning,
and zen is teaching?
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Re: Ideal Posture

Post by Mason » Sun Dec 23, 2018 8:18 pm

IMO, correct Zazen is related to Right Meditation of the Theravada path. (Zazen, Zenna, Channa, Dhyana, Jhana)

It is the culmination of Right View. To understand "Zen" is to acquire Right View. To understand "Zazen" is to practice Right Meditation.

The space between the view and the meditation is: right resolve, right speech, right action, right livelihood, right effort, and right mindfulness.

As Meido has said - Kensho is not uncommonly difficult, but the practice of samadhi is exhaustively challenging.

Like exhaust from a car.
"The Way needs no cultivation, just do not defile. What is defilement? When with a mind of birth and death one acts in a contrived way, then everything is a defilement. If one wants to know the Way directly: Ordinary Mind is the Way!"

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Re: Ideal Posture

Post by desert_woodworker » Mon Dec 24, 2018 12:14 am

Enver M. wrote:
Sun Dec 23, 2018 7:58 pm
Like zazen is learning,
and zen is teaching?
Well, to know what "Zen" is (if it is anything), Zen practice is necessary.

Zazen can make us more tolerant, quiet in ourselves, and relaxed, and attentive. We can be more ready and more reliable in daily-life to do the right things when needed.

But again, Enver, see what the teachers say!, in answer to your good questions. This thread of Mason's is about Ideal Posture.

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Re: Ideal Posture

Post by loves' the unjust » Mon Dec 24, 2018 7:11 am

thanks both..
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