Why is there suffering?

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Why is there suffering?

Post by Mason » Wed Jan 30, 2019 7:12 am

Those who think the cause of suffering (need) is unreal,

Will experience the reality of suffering.

Those who think suffering (caused by need) is unreal,

“need” to experience the reality of need.

Those who think the end of suffering is unreal,

Need to experience the reality of suffering.

Those who think the path to the end of suffering is unreal,

Need to cultivate the eightfold path.

Those who think the eightfold path is unreal,

Need to be liberated. Those who think

“I am liberated,” need to experience suffering.

Those who think suffering is unreal,

Need to experience suffering.

Those who think experience is unreal,

Should try to experience.

Those who think need is unreal,

Need to be happy.


People who think happiness is unreal,
Should enjoy the great cessation.
Therefore, meditate correctly.

Ordinary mind is the way.
Ask Non-Sin (Nansen) about it.
It is found in the Joshu-roku.
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"The Way needs no cultivation, just do not defile. What is defilement? When with a mind of birth and death one acts in a contrived way, then everything is a defilement. If one wants to know the Way directly: Ordinary Mind is the Way!"

- Record of Ma-tsu

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Re: Why is there suffering?

Post by Mason » Wed Jan 30, 2019 7:28 am

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"The Way needs no cultivation, just do not defile. What is defilement? When with a mind of birth and death one acts in a contrived way, then everything is a defilement. If one wants to know the Way directly: Ordinary Mind is the Way!"

- Record of Ma-tsu

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Re: Why is there suffering?

Post by Mason » Wed Jan 30, 2019 7:30 am

Is Jimmy Yu (Guogu, Guo Gu) around to translate the middle section?
"The Way needs no cultivation, just do not defile. What is defilement? When with a mind of birth and death one acts in a contrived way, then everything is a defilement. If one wants to know the Way directly: Ordinary Mind is the Way!"

- Record of Ma-tsu

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Re: Why is there suffering?

Post by loves' the unjust » Wed Jan 30, 2019 7:58 am

I don't know chinese.the most respected language around here is arabic.my own take is he could be talking about honesty.
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Re: Why is there suffering?

Post by Mason » Wed Jan 30, 2019 10:30 am

In that case, why do you lie?
"The Way needs no cultivation, just do not defile. What is defilement? When with a mind of birth and death one acts in a contrived way, then everything is a defilement. If one wants to know the Way directly: Ordinary Mind is the Way!"

- Record of Ma-tsu

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Re: Why is there suffering?

Post by loves' the unjust » Wed Jan 30, 2019 10:40 am

I just compare it with arabic.arabic seems a loose language.so i say honesty.i don't know arabic either.
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Re: Why is there suffering?

Post by Mason » Wed Jan 30, 2019 11:51 am

You take, you get.
Very peaceful.
But not without compassion.
"The Way needs no cultivation, just do not defile. What is defilement? When with a mind of birth and death one acts in a contrived way, then everything is a defilement. If one wants to know the Way directly: Ordinary Mind is the Way!"

- Record of Ma-tsu

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Re: Why is there suffering?

Post by loves' the unjust » Wed Jan 30, 2019 11:57 am

It could be simple misunderstanding.
but it is not a lie.
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Re: Why is there suffering?

Post by Mason » Wed Jan 30, 2019 12:08 pm

Be careful when you see the Buddha on the road.
"The Way needs no cultivation, just do not defile. What is defilement? When with a mind of birth and death one acts in a contrived way, then everything is a defilement. If one wants to know the Way directly: Ordinary Mind is the Way!"

- Record of Ma-tsu

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Re: Why is there suffering?

Post by loves' the unjust » Wed Jan 30, 2019 1:07 pm

Mason wrote:
Wed Jan 30, 2019 12:08 pm
Be careful
what is wrong with you today buddy?daily changing zodiacal equinox?
Mason wrote: when you see the Buddha
really? when did you see a Buddha last time?
do you think they could be seen?
Mason wrote: on the road
i went to the market short time ago.there were no buddha i see on the road.


so relax!!
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Re: Why is there suffering?

Post by Mason » Wed Jan 30, 2019 1:11 pm

"The Way needs no cultivation, just do not defile. What is defilement? When with a mind of birth and death one acts in a contrived way, then everything is a defilement. If one wants to know the Way directly: Ordinary Mind is the Way!"

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Re: Why is there suffering?

Post by Mason » Wed Jan 30, 2019 1:13 pm

"The Way needs no cultivation, just do not defile. What is defilement? When with a mind of birth and death one acts in a contrived way, then everything is a defilement. If one wants to know the Way directly: Ordinary Mind is the Way!"

- Record of Ma-tsu

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Re: Why is there suffering?

Post by loves' the unjust » Wed Jan 30, 2019 3:37 pm

without wisdom a man is not a man.
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Re: Why is there suffering?

Post by loves' the unjust » Thu Jan 31, 2019 12:11 pm

if you're happy with your wisdom you know zen
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Re: Why is there suffering?

Post by desert_woodworker » Sun Feb 03, 2019 4:00 am

Upon inhaling and exhaling, what suffering is there?

Just keep inhaling and exhaling. This seems to be key.

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Re: Why is there suffering?

Post by Kaya » Sun Feb 03, 2019 1:36 pm

Enver M. wrote:
Wed Jan 30, 2019 3:37 pm
without wisdom a man is not a man.
Right. Ignorance is so unmanly . . .

(Fortunately, women are left out of this mess. Otherwise there would surely be hell to pay.)

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Re: Why is there suffering?

Post by desert_woodworker » Fri Feb 08, 2019 1:31 am

There is certainly suffering.

Here in the South West (of the USA), many eventually come to the realization that it's time to cut back on the refried beans. This can help to reduce greenhouse gases, among others.

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Re: Why is there suffering?

Post by Mason » Fri Feb 08, 2019 2:58 am

This thread is beginning to get a bit Lounge-y, what with all the refried beans and farting going on.
"The Way needs no cultivation, just do not defile. What is defilement? When with a mind of birth and death one acts in a contrived way, then everything is a defilement. If one wants to know the Way directly: Ordinary Mind is the Way!"

- Record of Ma-tsu

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Re: Why is there suffering?

Post by The manta ray » Fri Feb 08, 2019 4:02 pm

The only need is a function.

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Re: Why is there suffering?

Post by loves' the unjust » Fri Feb 08, 2019 5:11 pm

The manta ray wrote:
Fri Feb 08, 2019 4:02 pm
The only need is a function.
The only need is "a" function.my interpret would be: The only need is function

welcome manta
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