How you create no karma?

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How you create no karma?

Post by loves' the unjust » Wed Jan 08, 2020 9:34 am

We already know buddhas don't create karma.or don't be affected from karma.
Because they are free and have no karmic ties that bind them.

As far as i know, in practice when you connect or talk with an enlightened they become a mirror right in front of you there in which you see yourself only

Since i read james's recent post here;
james wrote: Is there anything to be said, in your opinion, for not creating karma at all? How might that unfold as one’s life? This is after all the fundamental basis of Buddhist practice.
just curious about

And want to ask the same question to everyone.
Is there a special method for not creating karma.
How do buddhas do that? If there is a way what is your method?..

..thanks for the answers
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Re: How you create no karma?

Post by Spike » Wed Jan 08, 2020 9:55 am

In samadhi state, no karma. To enter samadhi, start sitting zazen.

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Re: How you create no karma?

Post by [james] » Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:42 pm

loves' the unjust wrote:
Wed Jan 08, 2020 9:34 am
We already know buddhas don't create karma.or don't be affected from karma.
Because they are free and have no karmic ties that bind them.

As far as i know, in practice when you connect or talk with an enlightened they become a mirror right in front of you there in which you see yourself only

Since i read james's recent post here;
james wrote: Is there anything to be said, in your opinion, for not creating karma at all? How might that unfold as one’s life? This is after all the fundamental basis of Buddhist practice.
just curious about

And want to ask the same question to everyone.
Is there a special method for not creating karma.
How do buddhas do that? If there is a way what is your method?..

..thanks for the answers
How do we not create karma? By bringing our observing awareness to the karma we already have ... by seeing our reactions to the situations and circumstances we are immersed in, recognizing the patterns of our reactive behavior as either wholesome or unwholesome to ourself and others and by resolving to do what is wholesome and to not do what is unwholesome. “Good luck on that”, thus have I heard. Besides luck we also, already, have for our consideration the Noble Eightfold Path as a reliable guide to knowing about wholesome and unwholesome wherein wholesome is to not be engaged in karmic activity and unwholesome is continued samsaric entanglement.

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Re: How you create no karma?

Post by bokki » Wed Jan 08, 2020 5:32 pm

We already know buddhas don't create karma.or don't be affected from karma.
no, we know this: buddhas create karma. and are affected by karma.
Because they are free and have no karmic ties that bind them.
mumonkan case 2.
or just read some other page about zen.
that is wishful thinking, no contact with reality.
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Re: How you create no karma?

Post by loves' the unjust » Wed Jan 08, 2020 7:12 pm

bokki wrote:
Wed Jan 08, 2020 5:32 pm
We already know buddhas don't create karma.or don't be affected from karma.
no, we know this: buddhas create karma. and are affected by karma.
Because they are free and have no karmic ties that bind them.
mumonkan case 2.
or just read some other page about zen.
that is wishful thinking, no contact with reality.
mumonkan case 2.
Free from karma or subject to it,
They are two sides of the same die.
Subject to karma or free from it,
Both are irredeemable errors.


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Re: How you create no karma?

Post by bokki » Thu Jan 09, 2020 1:44 pm

i really don't know.
but i figure, even a breath one takes creates billions of karmic responses.
where is the other side of the die, that does not produce results of karma?
if one saw it, its bcs of karma.
to add, all karma is based on the non-karmic base.

how can a karmic body see, or use, or discern... an emptiness, a oneness, a no name or karma.
If one is not karmic,.... or the emptiness is karmic?

tough.

but, imo only, "not creating karma" is another fluke of indo philosophy.
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Re: How you create no karma?

Post by loves' the unjust » Thu Jan 09, 2020 2:55 pm

:namaste:
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Re: How you create no karma?

Post by bokki » Thu Jan 09, 2020 3:13 pm

spike:
"In samadhi state, no karma."
i would like to hear how did you reach that opinion,
do you have a karma meter to measure the amount of karma?
or you are just eyeballing it?
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Re: How you create no karma?

Post by Spike » Thu Jan 09, 2020 8:08 pm

bokki wrote:
Thu Jan 09, 2020 3:13 pm
spike:
"In samadhi state, no karma."
i would like to hear how did you reach that opinion,
do you have a karma meter to measure the amount of karma?
or you are just eyeballing it?
In samadhi state, absolute samadhi, pure existence, what is there to create karma?

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Re: How you create no karma?

Post by [james] » Thu Jan 09, 2020 9:17 pm

Spike wrote:
Thu Jan 09, 2020 8:08 pm
bokki wrote:
Thu Jan 09, 2020 3:13 pm
spike:
"In samadhi state, no karma."
i would like to hear how did you reach that opinion,
do you have a karma meter to measure the amount of karma?
or you are just eyeballing it?
In samadhi state, absolute samadhi, pure existence, what is there to create karma?
Whoa-ho ... pure existence? My karma meter is flashing.
What other existence is there but pure existence and yet karma is continually being created.
Or is it?

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Re: How you create no karma?

Post by loves' the unjust » Thu Jan 09, 2020 9:45 pm

what is the pure existence?..loves's the most unjust?

or another term that you add to the terminology?
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Re: How you create no karma?

Post by Spike » Thu Jan 09, 2020 10:31 pm

[james] wrote:
Thu Jan 09, 2020 9:17 pm
Whoa-ho ... pure existence? My karma meter is flashing.
What other existence is there but pure existence and yet karma is continually being created.
Or is it?
Katsuki Sekida:

Zen Ordinary Daily Life

In ordinary daily life our consciousness works ceaselessly to protect and maintain our interests. It has acquired the habit of "utilitarian thinking" — looking upon the things in the world as so many tools, looking at objects in the light of how they can be made use of. We call this attitude the habitual way of consciousness. This way of looking at things is the origin of our distorted view of the world.

We come to see ourselves, too, as objects to be made use of, and we fail to see into our own true nature. This way of treating oneself and the world leads to a mechanical way of thinking, which is the cause of so much of our suffering. Zen aims at overthrowing this distorted view of the world, and zazen is the means of doing it.

On coming out of samadhi it can happen that one becomes fully aware of one's being in its pure form; that is, one experiences pure existence. This experience of the pure existence of one's being, associated with the recovery of pure consciousness in samadhi, leads us to the recognition of pure existence in the external world too.

To look at oneself and the objects of the external world in the context of pure existence is kensho, or realization. And this has been achieved, since Buddha himself did so, by men and women of every generation, who bear witness to its reality.

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Re: How you create no karma?

Post by bokki » Fri Jan 10, 2020 1:55 am

i have no use of sekidas rant.
iv read such 2 many times 2 b bothered.
spike, do u really want me to tear apart every sentence of this teisho..?
bcs, he seems to be begging for a karma police check.
Mr. pure existence
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Re: How you create no karma?

Post by Spike » Fri Jan 10, 2020 2:02 am

Not a rant you want to hear yet again.

When you broke off mu, you missed it.

Now what will you do?

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Re: How you create no karma?

Post by bokki » Fri Jan 10, 2020 2:28 am

Now what will you do?
i like your angle.
ill tear apart sekidas rant 4 u.
In ordinary daily life our consciousness works ceaselessly to protect and maintain our interests.
what's ur problem with this, sekida?
aa. will not go trough everything..
but:
On coming out of samadhi it can happen that one becomes fully aware of one's being in its pure form; that is, one experiences pure existence. This experience of the pure existence of one's being, associated with the recovery of pure consciousness in samadhi, leads us to the recognition of pure existence in the external world too.
on coming out..karma
samadhi
karma
it can happen
karma
one becomes...
karma
fully aware of one's being in its pure form
lol, sekida, u r a gem
This experience of the pure existence of one's being, associated with the recovery of pure consciousness in samadhi, leads us to the recognition of pure existence in the external world too.
enjoy your pure existence in the external world, too.
lol, what a fluke.
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Re: How you create no karma?

Post by bokki » Fri Jan 10, 2020 2:30 am

When you broke off mu, you missed it.
Another log on the fire,
10,000 frogs singing in the rain,
burst into flames.
- Linda Anderson

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Re: How you create no karma?

Post by bokki » Fri Jan 10, 2020 2:32 am

well, yes, i missed it for ages, but i hit it once or twice
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