“The Rinzai Zen Way”

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Re: “The Rinzai Zen Way”

Post by Larry » Mon Jul 02, 2018 10:54 am

ol' spikey wrote:
Mon Jul 02, 2018 5:03 am
maybe just woodworked and deserted?
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Re: “The Rinzai Zen Way”

Post by desert_woodworker » Mon Jul 02, 2018 7:18 pm

clyde wrote:
Mon Jul 02, 2018 2:20 am
p.s: I must be dense. Was I scolded?
I feel I scold in saying that statements about duality are overdone. Let the practitioner learn from -- and embody -- what eventuates. No front-loading, please.

I.e., too much PC-talk. Let Teachers disabuse recalcitrant students of unhelpful notions. Meanwhile, let people use half-truths and fictions helpfully, to the extent that they can, and to the extent that their teachers find them to be helpful and unobtrusive.

Picasso said, "Art is a lie that reveals the truth."

I say, "Yoga is an artifice that enables the Natural."

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Re: “The Rinzai Zen Way”

Post by clyde » Mon Jul 02, 2018 7:32 pm

In Chapter 8, Functions of Zen Practice Methods, Meido writes,
Vows and ethical precepts may be taken as skillful guidelines for behavior, and also unfold to reveal themselves as profound teachings directly pointing out our nature.
That is how I feel about “do no harm”.

This is a good reminder,
One thing that is clear from all of this is that as Zen students we should never judge others according to the specific practice or discipline they are using in their Zen training.
But this is a better,
It is best, in fact, to just consider all other people to be advanced bodhisattvas and ourselves to be common, deluded persons.
Even on a Zen forum :)

When we are able to apply the qualities developed through our practice to the conflicts and challenges of daily life, then we will begin to understand how life itself may function as the supreme practice method. [emphasis added]
Life is the supreme practice whether we’re ready and able or not.
“Enlightenment means to see what harm you are involved in and to renounce it.” David Brazier, The New Buddhism

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Re: “The Rinzai Zen Way”

Post by Larry » Tue Jul 03, 2018 12:36 pm

clyde wrote:
Mon Jul 02, 2018 7:32 pm
It is best, in fact, to just consider all other people to be advanced bodhisattvas and ourselves to be common, deluded persons.
Even on a Zen forum :)
Hopefully without drifting into false modesty :)

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Re: “The Rinzai Zen Way”

Post by clyde » Tue Jul 10, 2018 2:23 am

In Chapter 9, Samadhi (Meditative Absorption), Meido writes,
It is sometimes the case that Zen teachers are hesitant to discuss such things.
Thankfully, Meido wasn’t hesitant; and we benefited.
With a tepid, shallow concentration that comes and goes, such people may spend many years sitting peacefully and with great decorum, stewing in the endless arising of subtle dualistic thought and stale emotion.
That seems sadly familiar. (But the analogy that follows was too much.)


Following that, there are two sections, Samadhi before Awakening and Samadhi after Awakening. These should be read carefully.


p.s: This is an excellent book. I read ahead to the next chapter, Chapter 10 Relaxation, which is the first chapter on Part Two: Practice. What follows is detailed practice guidance given in skillful instructions - and they work.
“Enlightenment means to see what harm you are involved in and to renounce it.” David Brazier, The New Buddhism

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Re: “The Rinzai Zen Way”

Post by fuki » Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:29 pm

clyde wrote:
Tue Jul 10, 2018 2:23 am
Following that, there are two sections, Samadhi before Awakening and Samadhi after Awakening. These should be read carefully.
Not if one reads books to satisfy the intellect though :hatsoff:

I've read the entire book, forgot 99% of it. That which is functional I leave to the great Unknown and manifests spontaneously with zero knowledge of samadhi or awakening.
meldpunt seksueel misbruik in boeddhistische gemeenschappen.
https://meldpuntbg.nl/

IZIhttp://www.zeninstitute.org/en/iziae/main.html

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