"Jewel Mirror Samadhi" study thread

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Re: "Jewel Mirror Samadhi" study thread

Post by SunWuKong » Sat Feb 03, 2018 5:50 pm

SunWuKong wrote:
Sat Feb 03, 2018 6:41 am
lindama wrote:
Fri Feb 02, 2018 2:57 am
any comments on this? it occurs to me.... what is jewel mirror samadhi/bright mirror samadhi.... a mirror lacks image, mirrors have no inherent lasting image.... this is a Tibetan teaching. I've never taken snow in a silver bowl to be a nice image to hold in meditation... it takes words away. So it seems that all this beautiful poetry brings us to the ineffable. what does samadhi look like in a jewel mirror with no jewels.
Linda i read it like this:

The teaching of Thusness given freely by all Buddha Ancestors is now yours.
Keep it Well.

A silver bowl is hidden under snow, as a heron is hidden in the moon.
Place them side by side and you see the distinction.

(Comment: At what point did you see no distinction?)

Meaning won't be trapped by words. It goes where it wants.
Relying on them, you are left with trembling and regret.

Rejecting and clinging to them is wrong.
Like a ball of fire, useful but dangerous.

Explained plainly, the Mirror loses it's spark.
Seen at night, it's luminous.

What's the universal Principle? How does it remove all suffering?
Even though its unconditioned we still talk of it!

You are used to seeing your reflection,
Now it's your reflection seeing you.

You are everywhere,
and yet there is no "you" anywhere.

(Comment: Don't seek from others,
Or you'll be estranged from yourself.
I now go on alone—
Everywhere I encounter It.
It now is me, I now am not It.
One must understand in this way
To merge with being as is.)

- continued -
I'm fascinated by the use of the classic figure/ground problem "things-are-only-relationships-to-each other" Heron Hidden in the Moon. And it's paired with another Snow in a Silver Bowl. Dongshan's Samadhi is said to have been seen in reflection in a stream of flowing water. "it now is me, I now am not it" reminds me of a game we used to play when we were kids called "tag." I now am not it. Koan puts me on a hot seat, and I never even asked for one. Now decide are you playing the game or not. Are you in or are you out, because if you are in, you are either it or not it. But it and not it only exist in relation to each other. In tag, if no one is it, no one can be not it. If some one is it, then you can play.

Also early on, the value of words is questioned. Which is interesting, because all we have is words to go by. Since there is no Dongshan here, all we have is words, pointing to the moon. If we behold the moon, the words fall together. If we don't, they don't.

The whole poem is about a massive fire, which is but a reflection of a massive fire. It is fire, doubled, like the hexagram Li, #30. It is perfect Prajñā, reflected clearly in perfect Samādhi, which of course is impossible for the rational logical mind to conceive of, because in Prajñā there's no room left for anything else, and likewise Samādhi.

Anyhow, LOL that's how i read it so far. Thanks for asking Linda. Thanks for posting El G. :namaste:
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Re: "Jewel Mirror Samadhi" study thread

Post by SunWuKong » Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:44 am

Skipping down to the last line:

"Practicing inwardly, functioning in secret, playing the fool, seemingly stupid,
If you can only persist in this way, you will see the lord within the lord."

This seems to come naturally, how odd it is he says "if you can"
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Re: "Jewel Mirror Samadhi" study thread

Post by guo gu » Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:46 am

SunWuKong wrote:
Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:44 am
Skipping down to the last line:

"Practicing inwardly, functioning in secret, playing the fool, seemingly stupid,
If you can only persist in this way, you will see the lord within the lord."

This seems to come naturally, how odd it is he says "if you can"
that refers to post-awakening practice. it is particularly important, in fact.
most ppl want to share with the world the little attainment they have--these ppl are definitely not a "fool." they want a dharma transmission certificate; they want to spread the dharma, etc. with meager experience, their self becomes greater.... the biggest self walking around.
thus, it is important in order to continue, conceal one's virtue, hide one's realization lest others find out.... then students flock to you. one becomes a teacher prematurely.
make sense?
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Re: "Jewel Mirror Samadhi" study thread

Post by SunWuKong » Wed Feb 07, 2018 1:43 am

guo gu wrote:
Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:46 am
SunWuKong wrote:
Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:44 am
Skipping down to the last line:

"Practicing inwardly, functioning in secret, playing the fool, seemingly stupid,
If you can only persist in this way, you will see the lord within the lord."

This seems to come naturally, how odd it is he says "if you can"
that refers to post-awakening practice. it is particularly important, in fact.
most ppl want to share with the world the little attainment they have--these ppl are definitely not a "fool." they want a dharma transmission certificate; they want to spread the dharma, etc. with meager experience, their self becomes greater.... the biggest self walking around.
thus, it is important in order to continue, conceal one's virtue, hide one's realization lest others find out.... then students flock to you. one becomes a teacher prematurely.
make sense?
guo gu
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Re: "Jewel Mirror Samadhi" study thread

Post by fuki » Wed Feb 07, 2018 2:16 pm

I like the idea of studying/reading together, but most topics ever created (zfi) like the lanka study thread, it's all over the place, P1 quotes page 6 P2 quotes page 33 and it becomes a mess.

Is it in idea to pick a sutra of the month (or how long it takes) for instance, then 1 member posts a first entree of the sutra (or whatever) and only after everyone (who has said to read along) is done do we post the 2nd part etcetera, etcetera, when we have question teachers could chip in until we read the whole thingy. We could set a time limit and everyone participating has to at least post a "read" message even when no questions or comments so we know when to move on. I would actually like any of the teachers to manage this and moderate it and perhaps even pick the sutra/text.

It would give a part of the forum more a Sangha feel then a random zen forum.
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Re: "Jewel Mirror Samadhi" study thread

Post by SunWuKong » Mon Mar 05, 2018 6:22 pm

Sorry due to my lack of proper training and scholarship it took me a while to flesh this one out:

In the hexagram "double fire," when main and subsidiary lines are transposed,
Piled up they become three; the permutations make five.

Like the taste of the five-flavored herb, like the five-pronged vajra.
Wondrously embraced within the complete, drumming and singing begin together.


Hexagram 30 is Li above, Li below. There are five pairs, and he's looking at the sequence of the five, reading from bottom to top. he's teaching five stages, and I just located this text that seems to bring it to light, so i'll just drop it here:

https://www.baus.org/en/publications/dr ... five-eyes/


summarized elsewhere:

The five eyes are:

(1) the physical-eye, or the faculty of sight, that sees the ordinary objects before it;

(2) the spiritual-eye sees birth and death, good and bad, causes and conditions;

(3) the eye of Wisdom sees the true nature of things, emptiness, nirvana;

(4) the eye of Dharma is inspired by the thought of universal compassion;

(5) the Buddha-eye, the eye of awakening.

and here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Ranks

"Once one overcomes the attachment to emptiness, the unconditional, nondiscriminating love and compassion arising spontaneously from a direct experience of emptiness is truly a wonder of mankind. This teaching makes Buddhism a most unique and profound practical religion."
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