Seung Sahn & The Kwan Um School of Zen: A brief introduction

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Seung Sahn & The Kwan Um School of Zen: A brief introduction

Post by clyde » Sat Jun 09, 2018 7:52 pm

While I can recommend the whole video as worth viewing, these two sections are particularly informative:

Kong-ans in Kwan Um Zen: https://youtu.be/2V_3DEyx8no?t=19m15s

Ritual & Form https://youtu.be/2V_3DEyx8no?t=40m8s
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Post by fuki » Sat Jun 09, 2018 7:57 pm

The compass of Zen was the first book on Zen I read, here's the full pdf

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Post by clyde » Sat Jun 09, 2018 11:24 pm

Fuki; Thank you for the link.

In the video, Algernon D’Ammassa references Seung Sahn’s book on koans, The Whole World is a Single Flower and more specifically an essay about koans at the end of the book.

Do you or anyone here have access to that essay and if so, can you make it available?
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Re: Seung Sahn & The Kwan Um School of Zen: A brief introduction

Post by KeithA » Sun Jun 10, 2018 12:24 am

Here is a video of ZM Dae Kwang discussing the slightly different method that Kwan Um teachers use when working with kong an's:

https://kwanumzen.org/teaching-library/ ... n-practice

As his style, ZMDK makes the most important at the very end. He says the kong an's have nothing to do with right or wrong answer. To my mind, this is exactly what Meido was talking about when he wrote the following in another thread:
I think this seeming conflict of goal vs. non-goal to be the biggest red herring in online Zen discussion. More time is wasted on it than anything.

Of course one practices in a manner permeated by deep aspiration and lofty goal: the Four Vows are the foundation and ultimate teaching of Zen. It is a fault to practice with lesser aspiration than this, lackadaisically, in a stale manner.

Of course when one sits down to practice, one does so with great ease and completeness, arising from profound faith that what we call "Buddha" is indeed intrinsically present as one's own original face. One does not then think upon any goal at all, because one's entire body-mind are thrown entirely into just whatever practice has been given, with no room for a mind that fixates upon attaining anything. It is a fault to practice with less than one's whole existence and commitment.

With this balance, and a lot of practice, one can arrive eventually at a place where "practice" and "non-practice" no longer make sense. There is nothing that is not encompassed within one's effortless practice, and nothing met that is not one's own original face.

But this balance of profound, noble aspiration and a whole body-mind practice that itself confirms one's aspiration with no need to seek anything further, is no special teaching. It's just the mainstream understanding in all Zen schools. Of course one aspect or the other may sometimes need to be stressed if some fixation arises. But neither is meant to be set up as a view or approach, as against the other.
I have sat retreats and also have had a number of interviews with ZMDK, and he is a true treasure, imho.

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Post by clyde » Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:24 am

A wonderful talk. You’re fortunate to have sat and met with him.
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Re: Seung Sahn & The Kwan Um School of Zen: A brief introduction

Post by fuki » Sun Jun 10, 2018 12:44 pm

clyde wrote:
Sat Jun 09, 2018 11:24 pm
Fuki; Thank you for the link.

In the video, Algernon D’Ammassa references Seung Sahn’s book on koans, The Whole World is a Single Flower and more specifically an essay about koans at the end of the book.

Do you or anyone here have access to that essay and if so, can you make it available?
Never came across that one online Clyde, here are a few more listed though.
https://terebess.hu/zen/mesterek/sahn.html

Thanks for the video links it hits home.
Although never practised koan with a teacher (yet) I learned to use them according to the Kwan Um school (correct function/relationship/direction) So basically life is the koan then. Regarding correct function relationship etc the most challenging situations I find when confronted with racists ideas of ppl something which since 2001 and since ISIS terrorism and the Syria situation/refugees is only increasing in Europe, mostly because tv channels seem to talk about nothing else.

When ppl are in imagination (seperation) and they project their apartheid/racists ideas onto me (or what they perceive to be "me") It's not always clear what the correct relationship/function is, that koan (which changes and is made on the spot) manifests daily, it's clear in some situations and not clear in other situations depending on the circumstances/conditions of individuals. The koans I work with are usually spontaneous instead of the "fixed" cases like you'll find in the gateless barrier. Although their exactly the same sometimes only in a different word/story-setting.

I'll always be in debt to the Kwan Um school for making me see that koans manifests in daily life.
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