Rinzai? Soto? Both? Neither?
Re: Rinzai? Soto? Both? Neither?
Great Sage; Thank you again for adding more information about TNH and MBSR and IMS.
I think “the teaching is specific that mindfulness is to brought into all the activities” is a common teaching in all Buddhist traditions, at least that’s been my experience. (I belong to a non-sectarian Buddhist sangha, so we have visiting teachers from all Buddhist traditions.)
Your post and this thread confirms what seems obvious, even from the history of Buddhism and Zen - location matters. We easily talk about Chinese Ch’an, Japanese Zen, Korean Seon, etc. It seems that where one is located (e.g. - Australia, a European country, east or west coast of the U.S.) will influence the flavor of Buddhism and Zen one is exposed to and familiar with.
I think “the teaching is specific that mindfulness is to brought into all the activities” is a common teaching in all Buddhist traditions, at least that’s been my experience. (I belong to a non-sectarian Buddhist sangha, so we have visiting teachers from all Buddhist traditions.)
Your post and this thread confirms what seems obvious, even from the history of Buddhism and Zen - location matters. We easily talk about Chinese Ch’an, Japanese Zen, Korean Seon, etc. It seems that where one is located (e.g. - Australia, a European country, east or west coast of the U.S.) will influence the flavor of Buddhism and Zen one is exposed to and familiar with.
“Enlightenment means to see what harm you are involved in and to renounce it.” David Brazier, The New Buddhism
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The Vietnamese monks who immolated themselves in the 1960s... were they not Thien monks? --Joe
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I don't believe that Lineages are ever so simple in Vietnam, and it might be better just to say that they were Mahayana monks.desert_woodworker wrote: ↑Thu Jul 19, 2018 2:47 amThe Vietnamese monks who immolated themselves in the 1960s... were they not Thien monks? --Joe
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"Yeah, no"; I just don't know the answer, Jundo.jundocohen wrote: ↑Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:13 amI don't believe that Lineages are ever so simple in Vietnam, and it might be better just to say that they were Mahayana monks.desert_woodworker wrote: ↑Thu Jul 19, 2018 2:47 amThe Vietnamese monks who immolated themselves in the 1960s... were they not Thien monks? --Joe
Maybe the sanghas of those immolated monks do not want to own up to them as having been members. But their robes looked Zen-/Thien-like, is what I remember. And, as to those who appeared in photographs at the time, I think they ended their lives in this way well away from any monastery or temple grounds, but were rather out in the open.
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Far from not wanting “to own up to them as having been members” their sanghas regard them as heros. TNH has written about the noble self sacrifice of these monks against religious oppression. They are regarded as spirtual heros by many, if not all, Buddhists in Vietnam and the diaspora.desert_woodworker wrote: ↑Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:18 am...
Maybe the sanghas of those immolated monks do not want to own up to them as having been members. But their robes looked Zen-/Thien-like, is what I remember....
Re: Rinzai? Soto? Both? Neither?
A post over at DW has some interesting info regarding Vietnamese Zen lineages. Not sure how accurate, but certainly some info I hadn't known, particularly RE Caodong lineage there:
https://dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.php?f ... 65#p457512
https://dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.php?f ... 65#p457512
The Rinzai Zen Way: A Guide to Practice
Korinji Rinzai Zen Monastery [臨済宗 • 祖的山光林禅寺] - http://www.korinji.org
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Korinji Rinzai Zen Monastery [臨済宗 • 祖的山光林禅寺] - http://www.korinji.org
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C.,
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--Joe
Thank you, that's new information to me, after all these years. Much appreciated!!Caodemarte wrote: ↑Fri Jul 20, 2018 3:26 pmFar from not wanting “to own up to them as having been members” their sanghas regard them as heros. TNH has written about the noble self sacrifice of these monks against religious oppression. They are regarded as spirtual heros by many, if not all, Buddhists in Vietnam and the diaspora.desert_woodworker wrote: ↑Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:18 am...
Maybe the sanghas of those immolated monks do not want to own up to them as having been members. But their robes looked Zen-/Thien-like, is what I remember....
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--Joe