Zen Practice (Emptiness Concept)

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Re: Zen Practice

Post by loves' the unjust » Sun Oct 06, 2019 5:27 am

Spike wrote:
Sun Oct 06, 2019 12:07 am
loves' the unjust wrote:
Sat Oct 05, 2019 9:31 am
Emptiness:

"Some 15 years ago a friend at another forum has asked me a question.I was a beginner at the time.

The reflection of the moon on the water is it real or unreal?

This question helped me to understand the concept of emptiness."


- from my previous post
for a better understanding of emptiness
Your response?

Your new and better understanding?

For the benefit of all beings


I've said that.

I've find emptiness.

which helped me to understand the zen practice.
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Re: Zen Practice

Post by Spike » Sun Oct 06, 2019 6:56 am

Well, certainly, that says it all.
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Re: Zen Practice

Post by loves' the unjust » Sun Oct 06, 2019 7:22 am

Once you understand this; emptiness or the zen practice,

the rest is automatic

you know
right speech
right effort
right action
right livelihood
right view
right mindfulness
right concentration
right intention
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Re: Zen Practice

Post by [james] » Sun Oct 06, 2019 3:42 pm

Spike wrote:
Sat Oct 05, 2019 3:55 am

But it makes a big difference, imo, who does the talking. If one doesn't do zazen and doesn't consult with a teacher, the depth, usefulness and veracity of the dialogue is questionable.

It's okay, and even educational, to share about zazen, but the source has to be vetted.
Vetting is what each of us is doing, all the time and in whatever we do. I appreciate the knowledge and example of one who has more vetting capacity than I do but even there this appreciation is an expression of my own values. I think there is no getting around the fact that each one of us is our own ultimate vetter.
Spike wrote:
Sat Oct 05, 2019 3:55 am
[james] wrote:
Sat Oct 05, 2019 1:37 am
It may not be the experience of zazen but it is the experience of the idea of zazen.
In the weeds on this, but no one else to blame, no doubt.
Just saying that before the experience of zazen was, at some point, the idea of zazen and that the idea of zazen is an experience in itself with its own timely, expedient value, not less or more than that of zazen. (Referring here to the perspective of the individual.)
Spike wrote:
Sat Oct 05, 2019 3:55 am
[james] wrote:
Sat Oct 05, 2019 1:37 am
Just as we may talk about the menu without having tasted the food described in the menu, the menu has suggestive value to us because we have tasted other foods. We carry memories of food experiences in the form of ideas of food and look to a menu as a reminder of those earlier experiences and as a hint of possibly fulfilling future experience.

Talk about zazen is like the menu. I think that we all have an inkling of something experienced, sometimes well hidden or just barely sensed or even just beginning to blossom, and we can be drawn to talk of zazen or the idea of zazen for encouragement and perhaps even nourishment.j
I do not have a mere "inkling", because I, like many others here I'm sure, have a practice. The "something experienced" is in the practice.
Before you had a practice there must have been a “something” within you that, when you first heard of or otherwise encountered zazen, steered you or nudged you in that direction, to look at zazen as a possible nourishment for that something that needed nourishing. Can it be otherwise? An inkling as I see it is not a “mere” experience but something of great importance at the time it is perceived and acted upon.

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Re: Zen Practice

Post by Spike » Sun Oct 06, 2019 4:33 pm

[james] wrote:
Sat Oct 05, 2019 1:37 am
An inkling as I see it is not a “mere” experience but something of great importance at the time it is perceived and acted upon.
Sorry, that was redundant of me. "Mere" and "inkling" refer to the same thing: hint.
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Re: Zen Practice

Post by fuki » Sun Oct 06, 2019 7:19 pm

loves' the unjust wrote:
Sun Oct 06, 2019 7:22 am
Once you understand this; emptiness or the zen practice,

the rest is automatic

you know
right speech
right effort
right action
right livelihood
right view
right mindfulness
right concentration
right intention
Here's a good podcast (i haven't listened to it)
https://tnhaudio.org/2014/01/21/emptiness/
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Re: Zen Practice

Post by Spike » Mon Oct 07, 2019 6:43 am

fuki wrote:
Sun Oct 06, 2019 7:19 pm
loves' the unjust wrote:
Sun Oct 06, 2019 7:22 am
Once you understand this; emptiness or the zen practice,

the rest is automatic

you know
right speech
right effort
right action
right livelihood
right view
right mindfulness
right concentration
right intention
Here's a good podcast (i haven't listened to it)
https://tnhaudio.org/2014/01/21/emptiness/
"Emptiness [is] sometimes mistaken for nothingness."

"If we know how to suffer, we suffer much less."

The actual podcast is well worth listening to. It is as much a lecture on modern psychology and science as buddhism.
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Re: Zen Practice

Post by loves' the unjust » Tue Oct 08, 2019 8:06 am

In soon people may say my words 'tale' i've better to look to my own works.
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Re: Zen Practice

Post by loves' the unjust » Tue Oct 08, 2019 8:35 am

%100 obedience is what zen requires
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Re: Zen Practice

Post by loves' the unjust » Tue Oct 08, 2019 1:35 pm

did you wash the clothes?
just hang out to the wind
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Re: Zen Practice

Post by loves' the unjust » Tue Oct 08, 2019 9:49 pm

"It's 7 o'clock am here.At one side the sun is rising.On the other side there is the scene of the mountains which were never seen this precise before."
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Re: Zen Practice

Post by fuki » Wed Oct 09, 2019 10:25 pm

Clyde.... lounge please?
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Re: Zen Practice

Post by Spike » Thu Oct 10, 2019 12:07 am

fuki wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2019 10:25 pm
Clyde.... lounge please?
Second that
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Re: Zen Practice

Post by [james] » Thu Oct 10, 2019 12:30 am

Spike wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 12:07 am
fuki wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2019 10:25 pm
Clyde.... lounge please?
Second that
Lounge practice?
Ooch ... where’s Larry?

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Re: Zen Practice

Post by fuki » Thu Oct 10, 2019 12:55 am

Ooch ... where’s Larry?
Probably "lekker niksen" somewhere.
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Re: Zen Practice

Post by clyde » Thu Oct 10, 2019 2:20 am

How can a topic titled “Zen Practice” with the initial post beginning,
loves' the unjust wrote:
Sun Sep 29, 2019 11:28 am
Zen practice is zazen.

be Lounge matter? Perhaps the issue isn’t the topic, but where the participants have taken it and if so, perhaps they can return to an actual discussion of Zen Practice.


EDIT: Fixed typo and changed text to red to indicate ‘posted by site Admin’.
“Enlightenment means to see what harm you are involved in and to renounce it.” David Brazier, The New Buddhism

“The most straightforward advice on awakening enlightened mind is this: practice not causing harm to anyone—yourself or others—and every day, do what you can to be helpful.” Pema Chodron, “What to Do When the Going Gets Rough”

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Re: Zen Practice

Post by Spike » Thu Oct 10, 2019 2:47 am

Re: Unification
post by loves' the unjust » Wed Oct 31, 2018 12:23 am
loves' the unjust wrote: "Following White Method
or White Method

It is originated from Bodhidharma's shoe case.

It is basicaly considered to turn on your intuitive mind and so to be enlighten your way.

It is quite simple;

When your non-thinking thought match with a white color in or around you; you act, talk or speak etc whatever you do.

black is bad.

and not much of a significance of other colors.

------------------------------------------------------

Here you need a non-thinking thought first.
This is the base.
And secondly not much of significance of the other colors or happennings.

These two basic rules prepare you to get ready for a meditation mind mentaly.It succesfuly turn your life into a meditative life and make you get ready.

It clears all your doubts.So you can easily focus on the need.

From daily activities to complex philosophical problems you can use.

I personally use it in my all basic moves in daily life.It opens my way in all means.You should try it to have an idea.From the beginning to the end with all its possibilities it allow or provide you the best solutions or the results.

It is very possible that it save one's life many times in a life time.

It gives you possitive energy.You look more possitive to the people and to the world.It can be use in the cure of the many mind sicknesses either.

the list can make longer

May we all get benefit from!"
This is not zen practice, but it is the practice that loves' the unjust does instead. Any insights/comments by him no doubt derive from this method, but not from zazen, because loves' the unjust does not have a zazen practice, despite bloviating about it.

I don't mind pointing this out, and I will take the heat for it, because readers should not be misled that this (complete, total, 100%) bs has anything to do with zazen, or with zen in general, imo, or that loves' the unjust can represent zen or zen practice. So ok, leave it right here.
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Re: Zen Practice

Post by lindama » Thu Oct 10, 2019 3:12 am

oh! pls don't move to lounge. just look at what is deemed zen and not zen. meh! is there such a thing anyway? shoot me, zen has nothing to do with 100% obedience.... take that path, knock yourself out! If you have a lucky life, you won't stop laughing....
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Re: Zen Practice

Post by lindama » Thu Oct 10, 2019 3:28 am

Robert Frost failed .... here's another way to see zen practice:
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Re: Zen Practice

Post by loves' the unjust » Thu Oct 10, 2019 5:15 am

Send it to your friends so they do not have worms
:100:
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