A Zen Story

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Re: A Zen Story

Post by loves' the unjust » Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:16 am

bokki wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:16 am
enver
There is a Zen story that goes like this. ‘Master, how do I enter Zen?’ asked the pupil.
'Do you hear the sound of that little mountain stream?’ asked the master.
‘Yes, I do,’ replied the pupil.
‘Enter Zen from there,’ said the master.
enter what?
why enter?
a sound of that little mountain stream?
why?
what for?

moreover,
how does the entry by the sound of that little mountain stream
look like?
if you entered, please advise.
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A different perspective as james said.
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Re: A Zen Story

Post by bokki » Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:49 pm

heya, james, good feelings
enter what?
Enter yourself.
oh, ok, there is a self to enter.
why enter?
A different perspective.
or, the same perspective, a zen one?
Could be anything.
or, could be one thing?
How does the sound of that little mountain stream enter you?
by hearing it?

see, james, a lot of strange and deflecting opinions abound, like quoting the 10 ox herding pictures, but calling enlightenment a dream.
Another log on the fire,
10,000 frogs singing in the rain,
burst into flames.
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Re: A Zen Story

Post by [james] » Sat Dec 14, 2019 4:22 am

bokki wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:49 pm
heya, james, good feelings
enter what?
Enter yourself.
oh, ok, there is a self to enter.
why enter?
A different perspective.
or, the same perspective, a zen one?
Could be anything.
or, could be one thing?
How does the sound of that little mountain stream enter you?
by hearing it?

see, james, a lot of strange and deflecting opinions abound, like quoting the 10 ox herding pictures, but calling enlightenment a dream.
If enlightenment has not been realized, what is it but a dream? People talk about it, we hear and think about it, attaching all sorts of characteristics and qualities to this speculative fantasy that is a projection of our longing.

In my understanding, this is completely fine. Everything is the field of practice and this includes the delusional self. Why get caught up in the dualism of self and not self, wanting to be rid of one and aspiring to the other. Our nature is the delusional self until it isn’t. That is what we have to work with. One is not “better”or “truer” than the other. So, yes there is a self to enter.

From the awakened perspective this self is said to be delusional. Ok, that’s good, thanks for the advice (I say to “my” awakened one) but right now it is more practical to be working with what is, or what appears to be, which is this “delusional self”.

Do we claim that the sound of that little mountain stream is a delusion?

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Re: A Zen Story

Post by Spike » Sat Dec 14, 2019 8:33 am

loves' the unjust wrote:
Thu Aug 29, 2019 2:20 pm
There is a Zen story that goes like this. ‘Master, how do I enter Zen?’ asked the pupil.
'Do you hear the sound of that little mountain stream?’ asked the master.
‘Yes, I do,’ replied the pupil.
‘Enter Zen from there,’ said the master. 
Unfortunately, this is only a partial quote of the story. Just google zen stream enter to read the rest. The gist: wherever you are is where you enter zen.

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Re: A Zen Story

Post by loves' the unjust » Sat Dec 14, 2019 9:34 am

Spike wrote:
Sat Dec 14, 2019 8:33 am
loves' the unjust wrote:
Thu Aug 29, 2019 2:20 pm
There is a Zen story that goes like this. ‘Master, how do I enter Zen?’ asked the pupil.
'Do you hear the sound of that little mountain stream?’ asked the master.
‘Yes, I do,’ replied the pupil.
‘Enter Zen from there,’ said the master. 
Unfortunately, this is only a partial quote of the story. Just google zen stream enter to read the rest.
I've read the story here: http://mindfulspring.com/enter-zen-from ... zen-story/
The gist: wherever you are is where you enter zen.
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namaste
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Re: A Zen Story

Post by Spike » Sat Dec 14, 2019 9:58 am

Gary Shishin Wick nails it.

Since you knew the whole story, we can only guess why you didn't quote it fully

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Re: A Zen Story

Post by loves' the unjust » Sat Dec 14, 2019 10:36 am

Spike, you can't decide what i post and not post.
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Re: A Zen Story

Post by loves' the unjust » Sat Dec 14, 2019 10:49 am

Accept everyting as it comes, which i mostly emphasize on. (here)
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Re: A Zen Story

Post by Spike » Sat Dec 14, 2019 12:36 pm

loves' the unjust wrote:
Sat Dec 14, 2019 10:49 am
Accept everyting as it comes, which i mostly emphasize on. (here)
You first.

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Re: A Zen Story

Post by loves' the unjust » Sat Dec 14, 2019 12:50 pm

I decide to begin Zazen again.

The first will be today at 21:00 o'clock
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Re: A Zen Story

Post by loves' the unjust » Sat Dec 14, 2019 6:14 pm

my first zazen

I clearly see that my head is like a dig.i mean very unsettled. 1 st gist. Don't miss any sound.(of any happenings)
my room was not enough silent.actually i like to have some voice while doing zazen.

Now, I will carry that my tip during my daylife.

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Re: A Zen Story

Post by loves' the unjust » Sat Dec 14, 2019 6:18 pm

here's my notes
On zazen
All the rules i take during zazen are these;
want to share
larry

Beginning Zazen

Now it’s time to start Zazen. To avoid distraction, it is recommended that you practice facing a wall, as you would do in a training hall (dojo) or a monastery. Place your zafu on your zabuton so that, once sitting, your body is about one meter away from the wall. If you are using a kneeling bench or a chair, also try to position yourself a meter away from the wall.

Once you have taken the position that is the most comfortable for you,
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Re: A Zen Story

Post by loves' the unjust » Sat Dec 14, 2019 6:19 pm

take a few deep breath. Close your hands into a fist with your thumbs inside your fingers and the back of your hands on your knees, with the fingers up. Now, slowly balance your body from left to right three or four times.

Next, do gassho. Place your palms against each other as if in prayer, and bend forward a few seconds as a sign of respect for the Buddha and the Buddha’s teaching or Dharma. Finally, place your hands in the Hokkaijoin position, and keep your back and neck straight (push the sky with the top of your head) and start Zazen. As a beginner, it is advised to practice for 15 to 30 minutes. A good way to keep track of timer during zazen at home, instead of checking time constantly, is to use a meditation timer on your phone. I would recommend two timer: Enso for iOS andUndo for Android.

Finishing Zazen

Once you have finished Zazen, do gassho again. Remain sitting on the cushion calmly and quietly for a few moments; don't hurry to stand up. Try not to talk for a few minutes after completing Zazen.
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Re: A Zen Story

Post by Dan74 » Sat Dec 14, 2019 7:10 pm

Good on you, Enver.

Realizing that the mind is unsettled is a worthwhile realization! :559:

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Re: A Zen Story

Post by loves' the unjust » Sat Dec 14, 2019 8:42 pm

Would you like some tea?
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Re: A Zen Story

Post by Dan74 » Sat Dec 14, 2019 9:49 pm

loves' the unjust wrote:
Sat Dec 14, 2019 8:42 pm
Would you like some tea?
Thank you. Just had one. Off to bed now.

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Re: A Zen Story

Post by loves' the unjust » Sat Dec 14, 2019 10:01 pm

Just had one.
me too.
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Re: A Zen Story

Post by loves' the unjust » Sat Dec 14, 2019 10:18 pm

Once a friend had draw me a picture.A dog is chasing after something like a door.I will never forget.
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Re: A Zen Story

Post by Larry » Sun Dec 15, 2019 10:38 am

Spike wrote:
Sat Dec 14, 2019 8:33 am
wherever you are is where you enter zen.
“Everything you ever wanted is right here in this present moment of awareness."
-Yongey Mingyur Rinpoche

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Re: A Zen Story

Post by Larry » Sun Dec 15, 2019 10:39 am

loves' the unjust wrote:
Sat Dec 14, 2019 10:18 pm
A dog is chasing after something like a door.
:D

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