"favorite" teacher

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Re: "favorite" teacher

Post by fuki » Thu Jul 26, 2018 11:00 pm

desert_woodworker wrote:
Thu Jul 26, 2018 10:55 pm
OK, you're right. 10 or 12 sesshin. My misunderestimation.

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That's why you're one of my favourites! :111:
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Re: "favorite" teacher

Post by desert_woodworker » Thu Jul 26, 2018 11:02 pm

Just see the teacher of your choice. Or the teacher who presents himself/herself. Strong practice,

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Re: "favorite" teacher

Post by fuki » Thu Jul 26, 2018 11:06 pm

Good "talk" Joe.

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Re: "favorite" teacher

Post by desert_woodworker » Thu Jul 26, 2018 11:22 pm

Wish I could find it again, but I once saw a single cartoon panel with no words deployed in which a mouse artist was painting a portrait on a large canvas of another mouse seated in a chair before the artist, and the portrait itself on the canvas depicted ...a large and fierce-looking Tom-Cat!, with imposing whiskers!: a Gangster-Cat!

Such is life, Ladies and Genimens, ;)

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Re: "favorite" teacher

Post by fuki » Fri Jul 27, 2018 2:39 am

desert_woodworker wrote:
Thu Jul 26, 2018 11:22 pm
Wish I could find it again, but I once saw a single cartoon panel with no words deployed in which a mouse artist was painting a portrait on a large canvas of another mouse seated in a chair before the artist, and the portrait itself on the canvas depicted ...a large and fierce-looking Tom-Cat!, with imposing whiskers!: a Gangster-Cat!

Such is life, Ladies and Genimens, ;)

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Sounds nice Joe but I have a hard time picturing it (anything), in a coherent way that is. If you could typ it out in sound and enhanced with the sense of touch perhaps I would immeditately "picture" it. But this is not an everyday event, if you'd type "sea" no problem, I'd picture it in sound and the sense of wetness but rarely ever an image of the sea. The mouse painting thingy is unimaginable for me.
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Re: "favorite" teacher

Post by Anders » Fri Jul 27, 2018 12:20 pm

desert_woodworker wrote:
Thu Jul 26, 2018 10:53 pm
Anders wrote:
Thu Jul 26, 2018 10:29 pm
How do you reconcile a student accepting being beaten with a stick by his teacher and surrender not being part of the system of training?
(Awakening recognizes all true Compassion).

Let them both hash it out; this is called Training. I wasn't there (that time).

--Joe
I don't understand. How does this address the question of surrender?

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Re: "favorite" teacher

Post by Larry » Fri Jul 27, 2018 1:07 pm

Anders wrote:
Thu Jul 26, 2018 10:29 pm
How do you reconcile a student accepting being beaten with a stick by his teacher and surrender not being part of the system of training?
Surely there's a big difference between total surrender in say a Hindu context or some areas of feudal Tibetan Buddhism....compared to allowing certain highly beneficial, but momentarily painful, practices in the Zendo.

In a different arena, surely every sports coach must induce pain of one sort or another without demanding "surrender".

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Re: "favorite" teacher

Post by fuki » Fri Jul 27, 2018 7:42 pm

Larry wrote:
Fri Jul 27, 2018 1:07 pm
In a different arena, surely every sports coach must induce pain of one sort or another without demanding "surrender".
Any coach is basically motivational, the amount of pain someone "goes through" should be totally up to the individual imo.
For instance one can't become a proper cyclist without willing to go through severe pain (and even "enjoy" it) usually the coach actually has to tell the trainee to stick with a schedule because the cyclist just wants to keep training as much as possible, which in the long run will cause one's eagerness to backfire performance, so the coach is a "guide" (facilitator of direction) not an enforcer of anything. Inducing pain from a "spiritual" practise imo is teaching contraction, no one can ask you this, also you can never know what another body is feeling, having found myself in the 'consciousness body' of someone else once, I can tell you that something as "back pain" or "knee pain" or "mental anguish/fear etc" can be unimaginable hellish for one, which for you might be a walk in the park. In the same way some people can experience something like an orgasm from tomato soup, while to me it's just soup, not much "depth" (pleasure/pain) in the experience of food or fluids.
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Re: "favorite" teacher

Post by desert_woodworker » Sat Jul 28, 2018 9:15 pm

Anders, hi,
Anders wrote:
Fri Jul 27, 2018 12:20 pm
desert_woodworker wrote:
Thu Jul 26, 2018 10:53 pm
Anders wrote:
Thu Jul 26, 2018 10:29 pm
How do you reconcile a student accepting being beaten with a stick by his teacher and surrender not being part of the system of training?
(Awakening recognizes all true Compassion).

Let them both hash it out; this is called Training. I wasn't there (that time).
I don't understand. How does this address the question of surrender?
I don't know. "Surrender" was a different thread from this one. In that other thread, I addressed it, along with others. The topic was clearly just a ruse: the OP was trying to stir up trouble; I call it "Muckraking", a good American historical topic that apparently nobody any longer learns in school.

rgds,

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