yunmen’s dried shit stick

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Re: yunmen’s dried shit stick

Post by guo gu » Sun Oct 21, 2018 3:48 pm

Pablo wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 11:49 am
guo gu wrote:
Thu Oct 18, 2018 1:53 am
what a shitstick!
:113:
Dear Guo Gu,

Thanks for pointing out our blindspots, you're very kind. It's good to see that you're not attached to your own words, as well.

I wonder, though, how effective this method is, in an Internet forum. Seems to me we can easily escape recognizing our shortcomings, and it could feed our tendencies to do "performance Zen", don't you think?
see here: https://tallahasseechan.org/wp-content/ ... p-4-17.pdf
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Re: yunmen’s dried shit stick

Post by KeithA » Mon Oct 22, 2018 12:42 pm

[james] wrote:
Sat Oct 20, 2018 1:33 am
Why “fortunately”?
Because, as Guo Gu said, we would be ensnared by it! 8-)
You make, you get.

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Re: yunmen’s dried shit stick

Post by Pablo » Sat Nov 03, 2018 12:34 pm

guo gu wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 3:48 pm

see here: https://tallahasseechan.org/wp-content/ ... p-4-17.pdf
be well,
guo gu
Thanks for the link, Guo Gu. A very interesting article. I think the issue of living in this modern world merits much reflection, and your text is a helpful pointer.
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Re: yunmen’s dried shit stick

Post by Mason » Sun Nov 18, 2018 9:21 pm

Yunmen had no idea what he was talking about. Everything is Buddha? Buddha is everything. Personally, I never wipe my own butt.
"The Way needs no cultivation, just do not defile. What is defilement? When with a mind of birth and death one acts in a contrived way, then everything is a defilement. If one wants to know the Way directly: Ordinary Mind is the Way!"

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Re: yunmen’s dried shit stick

Post by Mason » Mon Nov 19, 2018 2:18 pm

I'm sorry. Shouldn't have opened my mouth.
"The Way needs no cultivation, just do not defile. What is defilement? When with a mind of birth and death one acts in a contrived way, then everything is a defilement. If one wants to know the Way directly: Ordinary Mind is the Way!"

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Re: yunmen’s dried shit stick

Post by Mason » Mon Nov 19, 2018 4:34 pm

Dwelling in the ghost cave
For so, so long;
Little dots in my eyes
Wake me up.
Do not follow me, whatever you do;
I'll sit in the forest - you'll hear it.
"The Way needs no cultivation, just do not defile. What is defilement? When with a mind of birth and death one acts in a contrived way, then everything is a defilement. If one wants to know the Way directly: Ordinary Mind is the Way!"

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Re: yunmen’s dried shit stick

Post by loves' the unjust » Mon Nov 19, 2018 7:25 pm

I made some reading today.It is very strange that we can't understand the wise men's words until we make some progress.
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Re: yunmen’s dried shit stick

Post by Mason » Mon Nov 19, 2018 11:13 pm

Yunmen just wanted to help people relax
"The Way needs no cultivation, just do not defile. What is defilement? When with a mind of birth and death one acts in a contrived way, then everything is a defilement. If one wants to know the Way directly: Ordinary Mind is the Way!"

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Re: yunmen’s dried shit stick

Post by Mason » Tue Nov 20, 2018 1:12 am

Originally there is not a single thing.
Just pure mind and pure things.
Pure mind and pure things are not things;
Pure mind is not mind.

The self has never been anything
But an arrow to be removed.
What arises are vexations,
Don't give rise.

The mind does not flow with things
Nor does it get stuck.
It sits in the middle, uncaring, unceasing,
A deathless peace for all to attain.

It is nothing special,
Nor is it everyday tea and meals.
The ordinary mind is deluded;
Original mind is truly ordinary.

Do not be a person, do not be a thing,
Just relax and trust your nature.
There is nothing to fear, just ghosts in the cave;
Here, birth has been conquered.
"The Way needs no cultivation, just do not defile. What is defilement? When with a mind of birth and death one acts in a contrived way, then everything is a defilement. If one wants to know the Way directly: Ordinary Mind is the Way!"

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Re: yunmen’s dried shit stick

Post by loves' the unjust » Tue Nov 20, 2018 9:11 am

congrats, Mason.
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Re: yunmen’s dried shit stick

Post by Mason » Tue Nov 20, 2018 11:15 am

Enver M. wrote:
Tue Nov 20, 2018 9:11 am
congrats, Mason.
Congrats to you. Aren't you looking at the poem?
"The Way needs no cultivation, just do not defile. What is defilement? When with a mind of birth and death one acts in a contrived way, then everything is a defilement. If one wants to know the Way directly: Ordinary Mind is the Way!"

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Re: yunmen’s dried shit stick

Post by loves' the unjust » Tue Nov 20, 2018 11:58 am

It's not about me.
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Re: yunmen’s dried shit stick

Post by loves' the unjust » Tue Nov 20, 2018 12:12 pm

We're all alone in this pasture of this world. (at level 1 ten bulls)
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Re: yunmen’s dried shit stick

Post by loves' the unjust » Tue Nov 20, 2018 12:24 pm

I think we should study the 10 bulls.
Could anyone open a new thread about!?? :558:
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Re: yunmen’s dried shit stick

Post by Mason » Tue Nov 20, 2018 1:24 pm

sounds fun
"The Way needs no cultivation, just do not defile. What is defilement? When with a mind of birth and death one acts in a contrived way, then everything is a defilement. If one wants to know the Way directly: Ordinary Mind is the Way!"

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Re: yunmen’s dried shit stick

Post by Mason » Tue Nov 20, 2018 3:16 pm

The bulls are a fractal,
depending on the age;
for coarser times, coarser minds,
Bulls show up as donkeys.
In better times, the T'ang and S'ung,
Bulls were actual dragons.
"The Way needs no cultivation, just do not defile. What is defilement? When with a mind of birth and death one acts in a contrived way, then everything is a defilement. If one wants to know the Way directly: Ordinary Mind is the Way!"

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Re: yunmen’s dried shit stick

Post by Mason » Tue Nov 20, 2018 3:42 pm

Enver M. wrote:
Tue Nov 20, 2018 11:58 am
It's not about me.
No, but it is about looking.
"The Way needs no cultivation, just do not defile. What is defilement? When with a mind of birth and death one acts in a contrived way, then everything is a defilement. If one wants to know the Way directly: Ordinary Mind is the Way!"

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Re: yunmen’s dried shit stick

Post by Mason » Tue Nov 20, 2018 3:48 pm

The true person comes out of your face to look at the true object. Your true nature is in between the two.
"The Way needs no cultivation, just do not defile. What is defilement? When with a mind of birth and death one acts in a contrived way, then everything is a defilement. If one wants to know the Way directly: Ordinary Mind is the Way!"

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Re: yunmen’s dried shit stick

Post by Mason » Tue Nov 20, 2018 4:07 pm

When you form an intention, you think it's you who forms the intention. When I form an intention, I know it's the whole universe that forms your intention.
"The Way needs no cultivation, just do not defile. What is defilement? When with a mind of birth and death one acts in a contrived way, then everything is a defilement. If one wants to know the Way directly: Ordinary Mind is the Way!"

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Re: yunmen’s dried shit stick

Post by Mason » Tue Nov 20, 2018 4:50 pm

Between the eye and the forms,
There's your empty functioning.
Yunmen said dried shit stick.
But as Chao-Chou might have replied to him:
"Only when the shit stick contains the whole shit stick."
"The Way needs no cultivation, just do not defile. What is defilement? When with a mind of birth and death one acts in a contrived way, then everything is a defilement. If one wants to know the Way directly: Ordinary Mind is the Way!"

- Record of Ma-tsu

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