KENSHO. Your experience, your thoughts..?

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Re: KENSHO. Your experience, your thoughts..?

Post by Larry » Wed Dec 11, 2019 4:45 pm

[james], I love the gentleness of your responses.

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Re: KENSHO. Your experience, your thoughts..?

Post by bokki » Wed Dec 11, 2019 8:33 pm

james
I can only refer to my own limited experience and understanding
i gather that is so very obvious in my posts, that i need not repeat. exactly what i mean about my understanding.
we are only just discussing, 4 the benefit of understanding.
have nothing to say about what they thought. Dogen, Xu Yun, Bodhidharma, Siddhartha did as they did because there was no other choice for them given their circumstances.
could they not have just stayed home? what made them waste prodigious efforts, searching for enlightenment, or to spread it?
Bodhicitta is a spontaneous wish to attain enlightenment motivated by great compassion for all sentient beings.

suffocating self-attachment is my middle name, fear, not so much, id rather say reckless.

btw, have you, at any time, answered the 100-foot pole koan to a zen teacher?
how would your empty breakfast look like, after stepping off the pole?

friends, do not take my words as something wise, or assertive. we are here to discuss, joke, and learn. nothing serious.

(ps thanx 4 Sasaki teisho links, spike.thnx)
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Re: KENSHO. Your experience, your thoughts..?

Post by loves' the unjust » Thu Dec 12, 2019 7:12 pm

Spike wrote: Just copy your comment about kensho being a dream, send it via email to the contact address at the websites, and then, maybe, share the response, if you get one?
I've made a contact with
Rev. Genjo Marinello, Abbot
Seattle Zen Temple
Dai Bai Zan Cho Bo Zen Ji
www.choboji.org

The master is a very gentle, open heart, direct and sincere.I feel honored.

Anyway, he has answered my question.
and say "yes" about my previous thought about the classical form of enlightenment.

Just to inform...
hello mom

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Re: KENSHO. Your experience, your thoughts..?

Post by Spike » Thu Dec 12, 2019 7:56 pm

And what was the response to your statement that kensho was the dream of a zen master?

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Post by bokki » Thu Dec 12, 2019 7:58 pm

thank you enver, very much indeed, for contacting genjo. just to be clear, you asked him if kensho is a dream? yes?
and say "yes" about my previous thought about the classical form of enlightenment.
what is the classical, or modern form of enlightenment, please?
maybe, you could say what your question was, so marinello said "yes"?
' kensho..maybe a dream of a zen master."?
?
just asking, sir,
could you be a bit more specific?
thank you very much.
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Post by loves' the unjust » Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:06 pm

Spike wrote:
Thu Dec 12, 2019 7:56 pm
And what was the response to your statement that kensho was the dream of a zen master?
All is true he said.
hello mom

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Post by loves' the unjust » Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:08 pm

bokki wrote:
Thu Dec 12, 2019 7:58 pm
thank you enver, very much indeed, for contacting genjo. just to be clear, you asked him if kensho is a dream? yes?
and say "yes" about my previous thought about the classical form of enlightenment.
what is the classical, or modern form of enlightenment, please?
maybe, you could say what your question was, so marinello said "yes"?
' kensho..maybe a dream of a zen master."?
?
just asking, sir,
could you be a bit more specific?
thank you very much.
May be you should ask your own question
to the master as spike has said.
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Re: KENSHO. Your experience, your thoughts..?

Post by Spike » Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:12 pm

Hey bokki, no need to do that.

I believe we have a similar understanding on this. No need to go further.

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Post by bokki » Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:46 pm

No need to go further.
ok, yes, thank you Spike, message understood.
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Re: KENSHO. Your experience, your thoughts..?

Post by bokki » Sun Jan 12, 2020 2:06 am

There is no door in shikantaza.
Shikantaza cannot be faked.
Shikantaza cannot be problematic.
How does he go further from the top of a 100 foot pole?
having thought about your words
ill talk about my sorry history.
i started shikantaza with a foolish notion,
not to think.
There is no door in shikantaza.
Shikantaza cannot be faked.
Shikantaza cannot be problematic.
having thought about your words,
karmically,
i do not agree.
shikantaza is a smile when one begins,
and a deep samadhi when practised long.


james?
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Re: KENSHO. Your experience, your thoughts..?

Post by [james] » Sun Jan 12, 2020 6:50 pm

bokki wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 2:06 am
having thought about your words,
karmically,
i do not agree.
shikantaza is a smile when one begins,
and a deep samadhi when practised long.
I don’t see disagreement ... yet.
If, when, the smile and samadhi are long gone, where is shikantaza?
Exactly now, no difference. Once seen, it gently absorbs you.
“Resistance is futile.”

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