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Bells & Smells

Post by Larry » Sun May 31, 2020 8:35 pm

“Hiding in the bells and smells of Zen orthodoxy. Or spending a dharma career trying to talk others into believing that non-enlightenment is really enlightenment. Exhausting!”

From Dosho Ports latest blog post. Good stuff.

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/wildfoxz ... dahui.html

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Re: Bells & Smells

Post by jundocohen » Mon Jun 01, 2020 1:18 am

Larry wrote:
Sun May 31, 2020 8:35 pm
“Hiding in the bells and smells of Zen orthodoxy. Or spending a dharma career trying to talk others into believing that non-enlightenment is really enlightenment. Exhausting!”

From Dosho Ports latest blog post. Good stuff.

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/wildfoxz ... dahui.html
There are two ways (non-ways) to Awakening, which is what Dosho sometimes forgets. One way is to strive very hard to arrive "there," just as he describes. The other way (non-way) is to stop, sit, very very very here with no other place to go and nothing more needed ... all to realize that "there" and "here" were beyond here and there all along.

Dosho is not wrong about the need for Awakening, it is simply that he is not right.

Gassho, Jundo

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Re: Bells & Smells

Post by Turtle Clan » Mon Jun 01, 2020 1:54 am

jundocohen wrote:
Mon Jun 01, 2020 1:18 am

There are two ways (non-ways) to Awakening, which is what Dosho sometimes forgets. One way is to strive very hard to arrive "there," just as he describes. The other way (non-way) is to stop, sit, very very very here with no other place to go and nothing more needed ... all to realize that "there" and "here" were beyond here and there all along.

Dosho is not wrong about the need for Awakening, it is simply that he is not right.

Gassho, Jundo
What is the Sōtō view of “kensho”?
Useful?
Inevitable?
An obstruction?
Just another every day is a good day?

I have very fond memories of the bells and smells of zen orthodoxy.

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Re: Bells & Smells

Post by fuki » Mon Jun 01, 2020 2:22 am

I understand Dosho's reference I just don't know who in such expressions is his target audience, himself, his 'external students' or a "reasonable combination of the two" 🙃 At first glance he might be referring to parrots but if that's the case, is he's displeased with his students efforts or is it for inspirational purposes for himself or his students? Or again a reasonable combination of the "two" 🙃

Again I get his reference but when expressing such notions I feel it's a bit projective, like a bait for fish, I would need more background to understand his motivations.

It did remind me of something....
[SPOILER]
The Last Prayer of Dudjom Rinpoche

(Freely transliterated by the presumptuous Bob O’Hearn, as a gift from a cloud to the sky)

Ati Guru, hail to You!

Sincere and open-hearted homage to the Only One, appearing as Buddhas and Bodhisattvas, Saints and Sinners, Fools and Thieves, Mothers and Fathers, Sons and Daughters, Husbands and Wives, Lovers and Friends, Killers and Marauders, Poets and Clowns, Leaf and Limb, Goats and Sheep, Cloud and Sky, Yin and Yang, Rain and Shine, Ants and Mosquitoes, Dharma Protectors and Dharma Deniers, Carrot and Cucumber, Actors and Audience, the Awake and Aware, the Asleep in the Deep, Magic and Mystery, Good and Evil, the Absence of Good and Evil, the Totality of the Universal Manifestation, and its serene spacious Emptiness!

Always one-pointedly remembering you from the depths of our hearts, we pray repeatedly before the mirror, invoking your compassionate attention.

Through the power of unobstructed loving kindness and gracious tolerance, see us as we are — not different from what you are, and so not separate and alone, not afraid or bewildered, not in a hurry or stalled by delay, not postponing and not anticipating, just here as ever, singing this song to you, with you, as you.

Bless us to accomplish what we came here for, even if we came for no particular reason. That in itself is a blessing!

Having no purpose, we accomplish all in accordance with the Supreme Dharma in which there is nothing to accomplish, to remember or forget, to gather or surrender, to hold and to cherish, in this life or the next.

From former positive actions performed by nobody, we have gained this precious human body, though we are not this body, or any body in particular, nor has anything been acquired, performed, or achieved.

Due to merit, by no means small, we have met the holy Dharma, and it is us, though we are small, and utterly without merit or holiness.

Though we are small, all the uncountable galaxies revolve within us like circus performers under the big top, scattering empowerments, blessings, wise instructions, and party favors garnered from inconceivable Buddha fields as numerous as grains of sand on an infinite beach.

Though we hold such fabulous jewels in our paws right now, our minds, like manic monkeys, are seduced by every sly peanut vendor of distraction that comes around, luring us with the meager enticements of toasted oil and salt.

Having been fortunate enough to have been granted birth in a realm where we could hear and ponder the wisdom of liberation, our obscuring emotions should have diminished and our minds should have evolved to the point of pure perception, but instead, we have just gotten worse, cascading on towards pools of dull stupidity like a raging waterfall!

We trade our wealth, our freedoms, endowments, and wise instructions for bags of stale goobers, until we reach such a tasteless state of delusion that everything we perceive assumes the same quality as a flimsy fairy tale of dark shadows and demonic compulsions.

Dressing up in Dharma costumes, we imagine that we are authentic practitioners, yet this body and mind with which we are identified only imitates true practice, like a cartoon character pretending to be real.

Bereft of even basic human common sense, let alone the clear view of true wisdom, we can’t even admit that we know nothing, but instead casually critique the sages and their teachings.

We remain fixated in self-absorbed opinions and petty airs, while our big mouths parrot any scrap of clichéd nonsense that pops into our heads.

Wallowing in a stagnant swamp of sectarian biases and humorless beliefs, true inquiry is abandoned, and our cruel and thoughtless deeds bring us no shame.

With patience as short as the horn of a snail, we think nothing of others’ well-being, but spare no effort in announcing our fraudulent credentials and wry conceits to any ear that will bother listening.

Mimicking the Dharma in this way is just toting around a big bag of dried turds and claiming it as some precious treasure.

We may have read a lot of scripture and heard a lot of teachings, but they only fatten our arrogance and pride, turning our lives into cautionary tales about how a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing.

Our feeble mental analysis does not penetrate the beguiling facade of flashy appearances — we are too busy chasing soap bubbles to realize that whatever we are trying to grab hold of is only a bit of glossy moisture floating on thin air.

Though we imagine we have developed some concentration, the slightest flash of phenomenal triviality can scatter our focus like leaves in a gale.

Though we imagine we have partaken of some superior training, the light behind the mind is still like a painted picture of a paper lantern.

Though we imagine we honor an aspirant’s vows, true liberation is the last thing we are really interested in.

Though we can mouth explanations of various arcane texts, we cling to mediocre and mundane word games as if we have never learned a thing.

Though we might give lip service to our nominal Guides, our respect and devotion last only as long as we believe we are getting our money’s worth.

Secretly, we believe we are their equals, and react in a rage of intolerance should anyone dare question our borrowed and embellished points of view.

Respect, love, and kindness toward our fellow practitioners are dependent on how highly they praise and honor our imagined attainments.

Even a cautionary word on their part seems intolerable and we quickly renounce their friendship. The love and compassion born of recognizing that there are no others, that all are ourselves, vanishes like mist when we do not awaken to real Bodhicitta.

Though we act as if we have some genuine experience of the various stages of practice and recognition, in fact we have never experienced an alternative to our uninspected fantasies of interpretation on perception, which we nevertheless take to be real.

Though we have heard that Emptiness is the ultimate teaching, we have no decisive understanding of it; our mind-streams are too fixated in cycles of identification with craving and aversion, hope and fear.

Unable to come to rest in the clear and open transparency of awake awareness, we merely nod to the view, and yet behave as spoiled, restless children.

Though outwardly we appear to be examples of equanimity, yet on the inside, greed, envy, hatred, pride, and ignorance burn like fire.

Though we might reside in the forest or mountains, secluded from the human world, day and night our minds ceaselessly wander in the city streets, looking for another fix to break our jaded sense of boredom and discontent.

We don’t really believe in our own practice, and yet we make a pretense of guiding and advising others, like a child making up stories.

Through our lack of integrity, we shamelessly cheat and harm ourselves, as well as all with whom we come in contact.

Knowing full well what we are doing, we get into self-destructive habits anyway, dragged around by the nose by any fleeting whim or fancy, addicted to every foolishness, seduced by the allurements of instant sensual gratification.

Not maintaining mindfulness, the hot air of our billowing thoughts blows us this way and that, our untamed minds cannot rest, and so we seek relief in oblivion tonics and poisonous cheap quick highs.

Now in this moment as mind regards itself, everything we do or don’t do merely increases our huge bladder of defects.

Everything we conceive of is infected with emotional contraction and conflicting reactivity, yet how clever we still seem to ourselves.

All of our efforts seem destined for failure.

Where can we go from here but even further down?

Even a glimmer of self-observation is disillusioning, while looking to others only amplifies our sense of separation.

Where can we turn in this realm of lies, selfishness, and suffering? Who can we trust to show the way?

If we don’t get our act together now, when Death comes calling, our protests and pleas will fall on deaf ears. No one will save us, and we will only have ourselves to blame.

With remorse and regret, we need to recognize our own fraudulence and self-deception. Isn’t it about time?

All of this would be sad enough if there was such a being as an independent, concrete, and enduring person, but since that has never been the case, we are even more confused.

In a dream, an illusion is chasing a mirage.

Wherever we have failed in our practice through errors of judgment and appreciation, thought or deed, let’s not make it worse by trying to conceal it in the presence of the Victorious Ones.

Therefore, from the depths of our hearts, we confess our failings, our foolishness and cruelties, our greediness and envy, our pride and arrogance, our petty preferences, our grasping and avoiding, our refusal to listen and our stubborn clinging to delusions of mind and body.

In your unbounded compassion, forgive us.

Protect us from the error of dead-end paths.

Guide us so that we can discover the perfect recognition of liberation.

Having so far wandered, distracted, through life, chasing this and avoiding that, we have missed the essential meaning, and instead played the role of charlatans, outwardly appearing as practitioners, but inwardly seething with the snakes of untamed passions and compounded delusion.

Shouldn’t we be treading the path of recognizing the one thing that liberates all, instead of acting like the walking dead, stuffed dummies, exhausted donkeys, or hungry ghosts?

Undeceiving Supreme Protector, sole certainty and support, Root Guru who encompasses all refuges, Inner Guru who is our own True Nature, we pray to you with one-pointed devotion.

Kindly regard us with the most merciful compassion, which is the mark of Awakened Mind.

Bless us with true humility and uncompromising vision, so that we can clearly see our own faults.

Please bless us so that we can always forgive the faults of others, and quit blaming and complaining.

Bless us so we can abandon all selfish schemes and violent reactivities.

Please bless us so that only pure and healing impulses arise in our hearts.

Bless us so we develop freedom from grasping and clinging, and learn to be content with whatever we are given.

Please bless us so we remain mindful of impermanence.

Bless us so we are able to fulfill our purpose in this life, and not die with regrets.

Bless us so we can confidently embody the Way of Love and Wisdom — not as a talking strategy, but as the way we actually behave in life and relations.

Bless us so we practice unbiased pure recognition to the point where our hair stands on end at the mere appearance of anything at all!

Please bless us so that we develop an uncontrived respect and devotion for all life that brings tears to our eyes.

Bless us that we stop daydreaming about unobtainable goals and accomplishments, put aside our present fantasies, relax and let go of past concerns, and just be.

Please bless us with the power to turn the light around and recognize the ever-present radiance of our True Nature in the depths of our hearts and minds.

The ultimate point of practice is to liberate our mind streams, even from the delusion that there is any such entity that is bound and in need of liberation.

Please bless us.

Bless us so that our practice is free of obstacles, or full of obstacles, since obstacles are only mind, and mind is empty.

Please bless us so that its results may ripen immediately, even though time is mind, and mind is empty.

Bless us so that we may liberate everything we come into contact with, even though whatever appears is mind, and mind is empty.

Please bless us so that we destroy the duality of hope and fear, even though there is no creation or destruction.

Bless us so that we see the non-dual primordial wisdom and recognize it as our own.

Bless us so that we reach the secure ground where there is nowhere to stand, nowhere to arrive at or depart from, or nowhere on which to plant a flag and consider that we are done for the day.

Please bless us so that we gain ultimate effortless certainty, until we are able at last to abandon clinging to any certainty and so fall freely into the vast Unknown.

With the great diamond sword of unconditioned pristine recognition, may the conceptual designations of “samsara” and “nirvana” be cut into emptiness with one stroke.

Since within the expanse of the all-pervasive equalness, the unobstructed great bliss enjoyment of the Real, even the word “suffering” does not exist, how much less the notions of “together” or “separate”?

Who could there be still searching for happiness, where happiness and suffering have the same taste, and seeking is self-liberated?

This is the Kingdom of the primordial Awakened One:

May all beings awaken to it in this very lifetime!

Om Ah Hum
Taken to be inspirational as in an internal reaction, like an arrow hitting its mark, not so much an "objective discussion" I feel :geek:

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Re: Bells & Smells

Post by fuki » Mon Jun 01, 2020 2:26 am

Turtle Clan wrote:
Mon Jun 01, 2020 1:54 am
I have very fond memories of the bells and smells of zen orthodoxy.
Me too as fleeting as "Satori" is, though not a popular pointer in Buddhism :D
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Re: Bells & Smells

Post by fuki » Mon Jun 01, 2020 2:31 am

jundocohen wrote:
Mon Jun 01, 2020 1:18 am
Dosho is not wrong about the need for Awakening, it is simply that he is not right.
:lol:

I missed this! from the viewpoint of sentient beings he's correct, from the viewpoint of "awakening" it's all nonzense.

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Re: Bells & Smells

Post by jundocohen » Mon Jun 01, 2020 4:50 am

Turtle Clan wrote:
Mon Jun 01, 2020 1:54 am

What is the Sōtō view of “kensho”?
Useful?
Inevitable?
An obstruction?
Just another every day is a good day?

I have very fond memories of the bells and smells of zen orthodoxy.
I am not the final word on Soto orthodoxy, but my understanding is this: Depends what one means by "Kensho" ... seeing the nature. It is vital in all of Zen, Soto included. However, as I said, one can realize so by "slippin in the back doorless door" of stopping the hungry hunt completely. It is a bit like giving up the search for New York City by just stopping, opening one's eyes, and realizing that one has been in Times Square (in fact, is Time Square Timing) all along.

On the other hand, sometimes one has light or profound or bottomless Opening Experiences in Shikantaza too, and they are lovely. All things flowing in and out of all things, including your and my thing, and round again.

It is just that we don't chase after that nor particularly need or do not need that. Some folks can know Times Square just through the back doorless door alone. In any case, it is only an obstruction if one needs that, runs after that, has had that and wants it again ... missing Times Square.

I hope that kinda makes sense.

Gassho, Jundo

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Re: Bells & Smells

Post by Larry » Mon Jun 01, 2020 9:50 am

Is there any danger of students deluding themselves with this approach? Imagining they’re “Enlightened” just because they’re being “Mindful”?
jundocohen wrote:
Mon Jun 01, 2020 4:50 am
On the other hand, sometimes one has light or profound or bottomless Opening Experiences in Shikantaza too, and they are lovely.
Are you willing to share any of your own “Opening Experiences”? Have you had any like Brad Warner’s Sengawa River story?

To borrow Brad’s words, we all secretly enjoy a bit of “Enlightenment Porn” :D

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Re: Bells & Smells

Post by Larry » Mon Jun 01, 2020 9:57 am

fuki wrote:
Mon Jun 01, 2020 2:22 am
like a bait for fish
Perish the thought :D

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Re: Bells & Smells

Post by jundocohen » Mon Jun 01, 2020 1:02 pm

Larry wrote:
Mon Jun 01, 2020 9:50 am
Is there any danger of students deluding themselves with this approach? Imagining they’re “Enlightened” just because they’re being “Mindful”?
jundocohen wrote:
Mon Jun 01, 2020 4:50 am
On the other hand, sometimes one has light or profound or bottomless Opening Experiences in Shikantaza too, and they are lovely.
Are you willing to share any of your own “Opening Experiences”? Have you had any like Brad Warner’s Sengawa River story?

To borrow Brad’s words, we all secretly enjoy a bit of “Enlightenment Porn” :D
Oh you have to buy my book, coming out in October from Wisdom Publications/SImon & Schuster. I need the $1.05, as I have a boy starting college next year.

https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/ ... 1614296454

Never believe your own publicist
Zen Master's Dance makes some of Zen’s subtlest teaching deeply personal and freshly accessible.

Eihei Dogen—the thirteenth-century Japanese Zen Master of peerless depth and subtlety—heard the music of the universe that sounds as all events and places, people, things, and spaces. He experienced reality as a great dance moving through time, coming to life in the thoughts and acts of all beings. It is a most special dance, the dance that the whole of reality is dancing, with nothing left out. All beings are dancing, and reality is dancing as all beings.

In The Zen Master’s Dance, Jundo Cohen takes us deep into the mind of Master Dogen—and shows us how to join in the great and intimate dance of the universe. Through fresh translations and sparkling teaching, Cohen opens up for us a new way to read one of Buddhism’s most remarkable spiritual geniuses.
No spoilers. :D

Gassho, J

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Re: Bells & Smells

Post by fuki » Mon Jun 01, 2020 1:23 pm

Larry wrote:
Mon Jun 01, 2020 9:57 am

Perish the thought :D
Do you do zoom sesshins too? :lol:

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Re: Bells & Smells

Post by fuki » Mon Jun 01, 2020 1:30 pm

jundocohen wrote:
Mon Jun 01, 2020 1:02 pm

No spoilers. :D
:lol:
$1.05? seriously? I'd almost buy it because I feel sorry for that amount, interesting marketing strategy :lol:
(joking ofcourse)

who you are "in" the universe hmmm, no spoiler but is it something like this....
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Re: Bells & Smells

Post by jundocohen » Mon Jun 01, 2020 1:54 pm

fuki wrote:
Mon Jun 01, 2020 1:30 pm
jundocohen wrote:
Mon Jun 01, 2020 1:02 pm

No spoilers. :D
:lol:
$1.05? seriously? I'd almost buy it because I feel sorry for that amount, interesting marketing strategy :lol:
(joking ofcourse)

who you are "in" the universe hmmm, no spoiler but is it something like this....
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No, the &1.05 is my part (I think. I actually haven't looked). The book is $17.95.

I will also toss in for all confirmed purchasers a free Zazen sitting, on the house.

May book sales equal 1/100th of a Tolle book! :hatsoff:

Gassho, J

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Re: Bells & Smells

Post by fuki » Mon Jun 01, 2020 2:10 pm

Haha yes I got that I was inquiring where the rest of the money goes, just a curiosity no experience in the details of the book market. It's 19 euros on a dutch book webstore. I might order it, always enjoyed your past writings on Dogen. Thanks for the offer but all my sittings are already free (pun intended) :lol:

ps I love the cover design, also have GG and Meido on the shelf, as a dharma family connection it would be a nice "completion" too or a "debt" for my past interweb "teacher-transgressions" :D But I confess most purchases function as a coffee placer or cat sitting, or I give them away if the "right person" comes along. They should make a precept for respecting teachers/teachings :lol:

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Re: Bells & Smells

Post by fuki » Mon Jun 01, 2020 2:14 pm

Larry wrote:
Mon Jun 01, 2020 9:50 am
“Enlightenment Porn” :D
Yes where is Joe? :lol:

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Re: Bells & Smells

Post by Larry » Mon Jun 01, 2020 4:26 pm

fuki wrote:
Mon Jun 01, 2020 1:23 pm
Larry wrote:
Mon Jun 01, 2020 9:57 am

Perish the thought :D
Do you do zoom sesshins too? :lol:
:lol:

I did but they were rapidly banned :lol:

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Re: Bells & Smells

Post by Larry » Mon Jun 01, 2020 4:28 pm

fuki wrote:
Mon Jun 01, 2020 2:14 pm
Larry wrote:
Mon Jun 01, 2020 9:50 am
“Enlightenment Porn” :D
Yes where is Joe? :lol:
:lol:

I’m very confused by all these name changes. I do believe you are now Spike :lol:

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Re: Bells & Smells

Post by fuki » Mon Jun 01, 2020 8:23 pm

Larry wrote:
Mon Jun 01, 2020 4:28 pm

I’m very confused by all these name changes. I do believe you are now Spike :lol:
:lol:


Sometimes if love let's me hop focal points :lol:

There was a doggy today who the 'owner' could hardly get to get outside for a walk, after petting him for a few minutes the owner said "he's afraid of humans and normally you cant pet him" I said "I know but I'm not human" :lol: funny enough when continuing on the stairs I had to "think" of Spike very deeply, perhaps Spike himself is hopping doggy points :lol:

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Re: Bells & Smells

Post by Larry » Mon Jun 01, 2020 8:42 pm

fuki wrote:
Mon Jun 01, 2020 8:23 pm
perhaps Spike himself is hopping doggy points :lol:
:lol:

Is that legal in Florida? :lol:

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Re: Bells & Smells

Post by fuki » Tue Jun 02, 2020 8:58 am

Larry wrote:
Mon Jun 01, 2020 8:42 pm
Is that legal in Florida? :lol:
:lol:

Not sure but this transformanence is getting out of hand :D
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