(Re)examining the first precept?

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Re: (Re)examining the first precept?

Post by p22 » Mon Jun 08, 2020 3:40 am

Is personal accountability part of practice?

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Re: (Re)examining the first precept?

Post by jundocohen » Mon Jun 08, 2020 4:44 am

p22 wrote:
Mon Jun 08, 2020 3:40 am
Is personal accountability part of practice?
Of course. It is just that we can't all be accountable for everything, even ourselves sometimes. It is only volitional conduct in traditional Buddhism, and the meaning of "volitional" is open to some debate when it comes to mental illness, addictions, acts under duress and the like.

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Re: (Re)examining the first precept?

Post by Larry » Mon Jun 08, 2020 10:39 am

jundocohen wrote:
Mon Jun 08, 2020 12:03 am
I need to cut down on the chocolate myself.
:jaw:

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Re: (Re)examining the first precept?

Post by fuki » Mon Jun 08, 2020 10:59 am

Larry wrote:
Mon Jun 08, 2020 10:39 am
jundocohen wrote:
Mon Jun 08, 2020 12:03 am
I need to cut down on the chocolate myself.
:jaw:
Some habits of the body might remain, I see no problem with a teacher eating chocolate or smoking tabacco, bodily activities will continue anyway until it drops of. But when it comes to "not keeping it in the pants" then one him/herself should be honest and understand one is not ready to be a formal teacher until the vasanas have been uprooted.
[SPOILER]
Sorry Jundo don't know if this qualifies as porn to you :lol:
https://www.vegetarianzen.com/your-guid ... chocolate/

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Re: (Re)examining the first precept?

Post by jundocohen » Mon Jun 08, 2020 2:26 pm

Larry wrote:
Mon Jun 08, 2020 10:39 am
jundocohen wrote:
Mon Jun 08, 2020 12:03 am
I need to cut down on the chocolate myself.
:jaw:
I also draw a line between some action that hurts the teacher (e.g., drinking) and hurts students (e.g., drinking then sexually taking advantage of a student's psychological vulnerability). I also think there are differences among these scandals (two grown consenting adults having an affair breaking a marriage vow is not the same as forced fondling in the Dokusan room). Also, there is a difference between the teacher who falls down once (then sincerely apologies, makes amends, reflects, does not do so again) and the teacher who is a serial predator over decades.

(I am not even sure where Suzuki's attempt to help a mental suffering priest fits in there)

That said ...

What the heck is so jaw dropping about my slight sweet tooth for chocolate? It is not like I am robbing banks to pay for my hershey's habit, nor causing psychologically vulnerable students to supply me with toberone. :114:

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Re: (Re)examining the first precept?

Post by Larry » Mon Jun 08, 2020 2:47 pm

jundocohen wrote:
Mon Jun 08, 2020 2:26 pm
What the heck is so jaw dropping about my slight sweet tooth for chocolate?
:D

Well, it could be shock that one of my icons is so deeply flawed or OMB! how could he possibly give up chocolate! :D

It’s a cartoon koan. Technically, in Japanese, a Kartan :D
jundocohen wrote:
Mon Jun 08, 2020 2:26 pm
toberone
Neat avoidance of blatant product placement :D

Or are you now speaking with a Japanese accent :D

:114:

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Re: (Re)examining the first precept?

Post by p22 » Tue Jun 09, 2020 2:45 am

He, Suzuki, fell more than once- He fell for his ego- He ignored the severity of a man's mental health disorder- He ignored continued warnings- As a result his wife was murdered- His children were traumatized, resulting in more mental health issues- Suicide- And the mutilation and death of the family pet-

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Re: (Re)examining the first precept?

Post by jundocohen » Tue Jun 09, 2020 2:46 am

Larry wrote:
Mon Jun 08, 2020 2:47 pm
jundocohen wrote:
Mon Jun 08, 2020 2:26 pm
jundocohen wrote:
Mon Jun 08, 2020 2:26 pm
toberone
Neat avoidance of blatant product placement :D
Oh, sorry, I thought it said "to-be-one."

Anyway, as a Zen youtube "influencer," I get 5 cents for every mention of certain products. That's why, in many of my Dharma Talks, you can see a bottle of coke in the background. Here is when we got a deal with the Mercedes folks ...

Image

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Re: (Re)examining the first precept?

Post by Larry » Tue Jun 09, 2020 10:53 am

:lol:

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Re: (Re)examining the first precept?

Post by jundocohen » Wed Jun 10, 2020 3:14 am

Actually, do you know the actual tie-in of Zazen and Mercedes Benz?

https://youtu.be/joaNvsyScmU

(I thought they were Japanese Zen priests at first, but I once found them to be Tendai priests on close examination. The Tendai Kesa are quite similar, but the tie is a bit different: https://www.adirondacktendai.org/wp-con ... 010052.jpg).

Below the ad, a important notice (no kidding):

This film has been made with the cooperation of Buddhist monks.
Interpretation of the meanings/aims, the postures of Zazen differs between denominations and temples.
The driving scenes were filmed with a professional driver on a closed circuit.
For your own safety, DO NOT attempt.


Yes, Zazen straightens out the bends and one finds straightaway stillness at 125 mph (200km/h).

Gassho, J


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Re: (Re)examining the first precept?

Post by Larry » Wed Jun 10, 2020 9:12 am

jundocohen wrote:
Wed Jun 10, 2020 3:14 am
Zazen straightens out the bends
:D

Pun presumably intended 🙂

Lovely ad. Hardcore Zen 🙂

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