Wonderful, No Place to Go

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Re: Wonderful, No Place to Go

Post by michaeljc » Wed Jun 24, 2020 6:29 am

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Re: Wonderful, No Place to Go

Post by michaeljc » Wed Jun 24, 2020 6:36 am

el gatito wrote:
Wed Jun 24, 2020 5:11 am
Hi, M. How is the weather? Cold and rains here, under military curfew 22 - 5, plus quarantine with 2 weekly police permits to go out to buy food.
Hi E.G. Great to see you here. Our lockdown is over - island in the ocean. Very few cases now.

I cannot see a lockdown worrying you . :)

Mild winter so far but still 6 weeks to go

Cheers

M

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Re: Wonderful, No Place to Go

Post by michaeljc » Wed Jun 24, 2020 6:37 am

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Re: Wonderful, No Place to Go

Post by Crystal » Wed Jun 24, 2020 7:34 am

jundocohen wrote:
Tue Jun 23, 2020 11:23 pm

I neither run toward rebirth, or run away from rebirth, nor have much opinion about rebirth (although I am quite skeptical of most of the more detailed and literal descriptions). In any event, rebirth or no rebirth, what is most important is how we live now, and the choices we make now in act, word and thought to avoid harm in this life. I do not know or much care about future hells, but I see enough made in this life for people and those around them by greed, anger and ignorance. Liberation is possible in this life too.

I also feel that we are born in each instant, constant, past and future too, and with every child or grain of sand or breeze everywhere.

Ok. That is done. Not much more to say. :D

Gassho, J

STLah

Sounds very much like my own approach (or non-approach) to rebirth, Jundo!

By the way, excuse my ignorance, but what does "STLah" mean?


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Re: Wonderful, No Place to Go

Post by jundocohen » Wed Jun 24, 2020 8:33 am

fuki wrote:
Wed Jun 24, 2020 6:07 am

Talking for ever if shikantaza it's a practise or not. All words refer to a state of mind. So there's your 'answer' whether shikantaza or whatever is a practise or not.
Is pooping a practise or the very embodiment of stink?
It depends if one poops as a sacred act, with nothing to gain or lose. Nothing to poop even as we poop.

Gassy Gassho, J

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Re: Wonderful, No Place to Go

Post by jundocohen » Wed Jun 24, 2020 8:39 am

Crystal wrote:
Wed Jun 24, 2020 7:34 am
jundocohen wrote:
Tue Jun 23, 2020 11:23 pm

Gassho, J

STLah

By the way, excuse my ignorance, but what does "STLah" mean?
Oh, sorry, force of habit.

We have a rule at Treeleaf that people shall have sat Zazen within the previous day before posting on the Forum, so that we don't become a place that people just come to chat without sitting. Sitting comes first, and chatting about sitting after. So, ST means "SatToday."

Lah is "Lent A Hand," our voluntary program to do a specially dedicated good deed each day to help someone in the world. People don't say what they did, so it can be anything big or small. However, they mark LAH by there signature to say that they did something that day in order to encourage others as part of "good works."

I write it here sometimes when I forget where I'm at! :oops:

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Re: Wonderful, No Place to Go

Post by avisitor » Wed Jun 24, 2020 1:29 pm

jundocohen wrote:
Wed Jun 24, 2020 8:39 am
Oh, sorry, force of habit.

I write it here sometimes when I forget where I'm at! :oops:
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Re: Wonderful, No Place to Go

Post by fuki » Fri Jun 26, 2020 12:01 am

jundocohen wrote:
Wed Jun 24, 2020 8:39 am
I write it here sometimes when I forget where I'm at! :oops:
Never been able to pinpoint a location to consciousness anyway, seems navigation is a trick of memory eh, I suffer from old man's disease as well, I'm where and whenever any-one is, or imagines to be. Though going to the kitchen to get some cookies now, hold my spot. :P

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Re: Wonderful, No Place to Go

Post by avisitor » Fri Jun 26, 2020 12:45 am

avisitor wrote:
Wed Jun 24, 2020 1:29 pm
jundocohen wrote:
Wed Jun 24, 2020 8:39 am
Oh, sorry, force of habit.

I write it here sometimes when I forget where I'm at! :oops:
:113:
My grandmother and my mother both had dementia before they passed away.
It is something I know that I will have to deal with when older.
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Re: Wonderful, No Place to Go

Post by fuki » Fri Jun 26, 2020 4:21 pm

avisitor wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 12:45 am

My grandmother and my mother both had dementia before they passed away.
It is something I know that I will have to deal with when older.
My great aunt had dementia, at the end (last years) she couldn't even remember how to put on socks or lift a cup of tea, but she tried so there's still memory plus the cognition of trying and failing, which ofcourse is also memory. We often had discussions beyond words and letters. And she told me she suffered not because of the dementia but because of how her husband/family treated her, in the sense how she was looked upon creating this stigma or label of dementia.

Eventhough she often didnt remember me as "marcel" when I visited her she still recognized me beyond what we usually refer to as recognizing via memory. Though other ppl in the room were stuck at some dual narrative of "me and her, me and the world" etc feeling sorry for themselves and her. But they were missing out! ;)

Last time she visited my house, she didn't visit for about 6 years, when she walked through the door she saw my cat (snoetje 1.0) she raced to her, my cat bended her head a little sitting on the table as she approached, she bended her head and they touched heads for a few minutes as she caressed the cat, (something no human besides me could do as she wasn't a peoples person) they were both luminous, no human (well except one) in the room understood what happened, most beautiful thing I ever saw.

Moral of the story is Avi, we are not our brains, and yes you can "remember" that even when having a brain illness/condition like dementia. I hope you will, though I wouldn't take for granted to you will have the same condition if I were you.

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Re: Wonderful, No Place to Go

Post by avisitor » Sat Jun 27, 2020 3:58 am

My mother passed away last year in November.
Yesterday, my father had a stroke.
Now, in the hospital, he will have to go through rehab to regain what he lost due to the bleeding in his brain

At this point, life is suffering.
Or, there is suffering.
I can still see the flowers on my lawn

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Re: Wonderful, No Place to Go

Post by jundocohen » Sat Jun 27, 2020 6:50 am

fuki wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 12:01 am
jundocohen wrote:
Wed Jun 24, 2020 8:39 am
I write it here sometimes when I forget where I'm at! :oops:
Never been able to pinpoint a location to consciousness anyway ....
I think it is just that all phpbb fora interfaces look alike. Like chain motels, all the rooms are basically the same, and the tired travel upon waking takes a second to recall what city he is in.

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Re: Wonderful, No Place to Go

Post by p22 » Sat Jun 27, 2020 12:48 pm

avisitor wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 3:58 am
My mother passed away last year in November.
Yesterday, my father had a stroke.
Now, in the hospital, he will have to go through rehab to regain what he lost due to the bleeding in his brain

At this point, life is suffering.
Or, there is suffering.
I can still see the flowers on my lawn
I'm sorry about your father, Avi-

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Re: Wonderful, No Place to Go

Post by jundocohen » Sat Jun 27, 2020 1:13 pm

avisitor wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 3:58 am
My mother passed away last year in November.
Yesterday, my father had a stroke.
Now, in the hospital, he will have to go through rehab to regain what he lost due to the bleeding in his brain

At this point, life is suffering.
Or, there is suffering.
I can still see the flowers on my lawn
I will be sitting for you father, and in memory of your mother, and for your family. Peace to all.

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Re: Wonderful, No Place to Go

Post by avisitor » Sat Jun 27, 2020 4:42 pm

p22 wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 12:48 pm
I'm sorry about your father, Avi-
Thank you very much.
Nothing to be sorry about.
Life is suffering. It is what it is.
I don't claim to understand why life is suffering.
Just accept and move forward
jundocohen wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 1:13 pm
I will be sitting for you father, and in memory of your mother, and for your family. Peace to all.
Thank you for your kindness.
As you know, we learn about the Dharma
And when we sit, we let go of all including the words and meaning of the Dharma
Well, that is what I learned

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Re: Wonderful, No Place to Go

Post by fuki » Sat Jun 27, 2020 6:31 pm

jundocohen wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 6:50 am

I think it is just that all phpbb fora interfaces look alike. Like chain motels, all the rooms are basically the same, and the tired travel upon waking takes a second to recall what city he is in.
Yes I have that in the morning often, not only the city, but also the recalling of a human body, name etc
luckily the cats help with that :D
(not that I need such labels/narrative to make coffee or do whatever, but apparently humans have a habit for a narrative for the false to survive)

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Re: Wonderful, No Place to Go

Post by fuki » Sat Jun 27, 2020 6:37 pm

avisitor wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 3:58 am
My mother passed away last year in November.
Yesterday, my father had a stroke.
Now, in the hospital, he will have to go through rehab to regain what he lost due to the bleeding in his brain

At this point, life is suffering.
Or, there is suffering.
I can still see the flowers on my lawn
Best wishes for your dad and you Avi, hope he can make a swift recovery.
:115:

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Re: Wonderful, No Place to Go

Post by avisitor » Sun Jun 28, 2020 12:04 am

fuki wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 6:37 pm
avisitor wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 3:58 am
My mother passed away last year in November.
Yesterday, my father had a stroke.
Now, in the hospital, he will have to go through rehab to regain what he lost due to the bleeding in his brain

At this point, life is suffering.
Or, there is suffering.
I can still see the flowers on my lawn
Best wishes for your dad and you Avi, hope he can make a swift recovery.
:115:
Thanks.
Spoke with dad yesterday and his speech was slurred.

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Re: Wonderful, No Place to Go

Post by jundocohen » Sun Jun 28, 2020 1:35 am

avisitor wrote:
Sun Jun 28, 2020 12:04 am

Thanks.
Spoke with dad yesterday and his speech was slurred.
Folks with strokes tend to bounce back quite a bit from wherever the stroke left them, as the brain compensates and they relearn some lost abilities.

It can also be a warning so that he takes care for the future, so strokes can sometimes be beneficial warnings in hindsight.

But whatever ever happens, I know that in your wisdom you know how to appreciate just this moment being able to speak with him today, slur or not.

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Re: Wonderful, No Place to Go

Post by avisitor » Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:26 pm

Video chat. He looks ok. And speech was mucy better.
He recognized my daughter.
Good news.

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