Ten Precepts

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Re: Ten Precepts

Post by p22 » Sun Aug 02, 2020 2:00 am

Anyone who purchases and consumes food products is telling the producers that it's ok to kill- People who grow their own face the same- There's no escape-

Flies and mosquitos do carry disease- Cockroaches are known to cause allergy and asthma- They can crawl into ear canals and nasal cavities and cause infection-

No sense kidding others into thinking that they aren't vulnerable simply because you (general, anyone) have yet to contract what lovely bugs nature has to offer- That type of irresponsible talk also has consequences -

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Re: Ten Precepts

Post by fuki » Sun Aug 02, 2020 2:23 am

Ive harvested asperagus, lettuce, tomatoes etc when I worked in a local field for a rehabilitation project of troubled youth, ex-convicts and ppl with mental illnesses, not once in a few years of planting and harvesting have I or others harmed an insect in mindfull farming. If you have any knowledge/experience please go educate your local farmers how to avoid killing animals/insects in the field, you are being compulsive and provocative and your speech is harmful and dangerous for a while now. Whether right or wrong as a moderator I can not allow such divisive and provocative activity on a forum, not once have I said any killing is justified nor have I said to make out with cockroaches.

Desist from such comments in the future please. If you once more say that due to farming insects/mice are killed so might as well slaughter pigs I will take inevitable actions.

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Re: Ten Precepts

Post by p22 » Sun Aug 02, 2020 2:56 am

It's alright, Marcel- No action is necessary on your part to silence me- I will not participate in any future discussions on your forum-

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Re: Ten Precepts

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Re: Ten Precepts

Post by Turtle Clan » Sun Aug 02, 2020 3:24 pm

p22 wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 2:00 am
Anyone who purchases and consumes food products is telling the producers that it's ok to kill- People who grow their own face the same- There's no escape-
No escape, yes, but there is always the possibility of reduction of harm. The first step in this possibility is to educate ourselves in the harm we cause simply by being alive and to resolve to do something about it.
p22 wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 2:00 am
Flies and mosquitos do carry disease- Cockroaches are known to cause allergy and asthma- They can crawl into ear canals and nasal cavities and cause infection-
Insect netting, cleanliness, a recognition of one’s own possibly neurotic reactions to insects.
p22 wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 2:00 am
No sense kidding others into thinking that they aren't vulnerable simply because you (general, anyone) have yet to contract what lovely bugs nature has to offer- That type of irresponsible talk also has consequences -
We humans are endlessly trying to control the living relationships and processes of this world. It will never come to anything good as can be clearly seen by the ongoing and overwhelming cascade of degradations we are experiencing. What will it take to fully recognize the irresponsibility of this futile endeavor?
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Re: Ten Precepts

Post by Turtle Clan » Sun Aug 02, 2020 3:28 pm

p22 wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 2:56 am
It's alright, Marcel- No action is necessary on your part to silence me- I will not participate in any future discussions on your forum-
Don’t go.
Hopefully fuki will desist from further clumsy moderation actions in the future.

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Re: Ten Precepts

Post by fuki » Mon Aug 03, 2020 7:47 pm

Turtle Clan wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 12:59 pm
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Nothing changed, it's all good, toujour.
Turtle Clan wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 3:28 pm
Hopefully fuki will desist from further clumsy moderation actions in the future.
I can only moderate according to what I feel is appropiate, both for myself and my understanding of the buddhadharma, and I will stay true to that, it may be right or wrong or clumsly, but there are certain things where I draw the line, especially in the context of strengthening/watering seeds of killing.

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Re: Ten Precepts

Post by p22 » Thu Aug 20, 2020 3:19 am

Turtle Clan wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 3:24 pm
p22 wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 2:00 am
Anyone who purchases and consumes food products is telling the producers that it's ok to kill- People who grow their own face the same- There's no escape-
No escape, yes, but there is always the possibility of reduction of harm. The first step in this possibility is to educate ourselves in the harm we cause simply by being alive and to resolve to do something about it.
p22 wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 2:00 am
Flies and mosquitos do carry disease- Cockroaches are known to cause allergy and asthma- They can crawl into ear canals and nasal cavities and cause infection-
Insect netting, cleanliness, a recognition of one’s own possibly neurotic reactions to insects.
p22 wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 2:00 am
No sense kidding others into thinking that they aren't vulnerable simply because you (general, anyone) have yet to contract what lovely bugs nature has to offer- That type of irresponsible talk also has consequences -
We humans are endlessly trying to control the living relationships and processes of this world. It will never come to anything good as can be clearly seen by the ongoing and overwhelming cascade of degradations we are experiencing. What will it take to fully recognize the irresponsibility of this futile endeavor?
Harm done can be reduced with continued effort- But that isn't likely to occur if the harm done isn't acknowledged-

Mosquito netting = Neurosis? Condoms also?
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Efforts to prevent Zika = Neurosis?

The way Buddhists "feel" about killing varies, from individual to individual, mosquito to mosquito, goat to goat, carrot to carrot-

Americans used to believe that African Americans weren't complete human beings-

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Re: Ten Precepts

Post by p22 » Thu Aug 20, 2020 3:26 am

Turtle Clan wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 3:28 pm
p22 wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 2:56 am
It's alright, Marcel- No action is necessary on your part to silence me- I will not participate in any future discussions on your forum-
Don’t go.
Hopefully fuki will desist from further clumsy moderation actions in the future.
It's a difficult discussion- Difficult to consider, difficult to listen to one another-

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Re: Ten Precepts

Post by p22 » Sat Aug 22, 2020 12:23 pm

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Re: Ten Precepts

Post by el gatito » Sat Aug 22, 2020 9:13 pm

fuki wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 2:23 am
...your speech is harmful and dangerous...
What is harm?

They create "humanized" genetically engineered mice to kill them in multitudes -- to supposedly prevent "harm" [questionable] to humans.

Anything spoken can be interpreted as harmful one way or another. Anything whatsoever.

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Re: Ten Precepts

Post by p22 » Sun Aug 23, 2020 1:35 pm

At what point in Buddhist history did lives get divided and categorized into groups of significant and less significant?

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Re: Ten Precepts

Post by el gatito » Sun Aug 23, 2020 6:42 pm

Not only in Buddhism, there are quite a few other systems (modern physics including), where, when looking at the source, we always arrive at nothing but the interplay of vibrating energies.

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"Spanda, a key concept of the Kashmir Śaivism, is the original, primordial subtle vibration that arises from the dynamic interplay of the passive and the creative polarizations of the Absolute. The entire universe is nothing but conscious energy, and everything in the universe is that consciousness expressed in different forms."

https://spanda.org/who-we-are/origin-of-name/

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"All matter is made up of atoms. Atoms, in turn, are made up of electrons orbiting a nucleus of protons and neutrons, which themselves are made up of quarks. String theory suggests that electrons and quarks are actually minuscule vibrating loops of energy...

https://www.nap.edu/resource/oneunivers ... 4-185.html

The "strings" vibrate in multiple dimensions and, depending on how they vibrate, they might be seen in three-dimensional space."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Introduction_to_M-theory

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Re: Ten Precepts

Post by p22 » Mon Aug 24, 2020 1:28 am

Horizontal Gene Transfer: Blurring the boundaries of more/less and us/them ..

https://www.anthropocenemagazine.org/20 ... oundaries/

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Re: Ten Precepts

Post by p22 » Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:35 am



"Guo Gu answers a student's question about how to reconcile the first Buddhist precept of not killing with one's livelihood."

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Re: Ten Precepts

Post by avisitor » Sat Sep 19, 2020 7:00 pm

Did he say that every precept has an exception?
Guess it means there is more to learn than what one person's view of what the world should be like ...

I often wondered why the animal world has no precepts upon which they must follow.
No killing? Impossible since it is always been a food chain. One animal survives upon another.
At least they do not lie or do hit and run. But, they do steal. Curious?

Chickens living together will not pick upon the dead caucus of another chicken.
But, cut it up and cook it and if you feed it to the other chickens, then they are more than willing to eat another chicken.
Something disturbing it that.

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Re: Ten Precepts

Post by jundocohen » Sun Sep 20, 2020 5:02 am

You sure about them chickens?

Homesteading Basics: Cannibalism In Chickens
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTEi057D0go

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Re: Ten Precepts

Post by p22 » Sun Sep 20, 2020 1:06 pm

avisitor wrote:
Sat Sep 19, 2020 7:00 pm
Did he say that every precept has an exception?
I don't remember if he said every- 😊

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Re: Ten Precepts

Post by avisitor » Sun Sep 20, 2020 8:25 pm

jundocohen wrote:
Sun Sep 20, 2020 5:02 am
You sure about them chickens?

Homesteading Basics: Cannibalism In Chickens
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTEi057D0go
Well, I never waited for any long length of time when I saw a dead chicken in the pen.
Just more sanitary to get rid of the dead bird when spotted.
And the other birds would leave it alone.
But, it was easy enough to throw it in the fire and then feed it to the chickens.

p22 wrote:
Sun Sep 20, 2020 1:06 pm
avisitor wrote:
Sat Sep 19, 2020 7:00 pm
Did he say that every precept has an exception?
I don't remember if he said every- 😊
Well, that could be my memory playing tricks on me.
Or just the way I wanted to interpret his words.
It happens often to me when I am impatient.

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Re: Ten Precepts

Post by p22 » Sun Sep 20, 2020 10:27 pm

avisitor wrote:
Sun Sep 20, 2020 8:25 pm
jundocohen wrote:
Sun Sep 20, 2020 5:02 am
You sure about them chickens?

Homesteading Basics: Cannibalism In Chickens
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTEi057D0go
Well, I never waited for any long length of time when I saw a dead chicken in the pen.
Just more sanitary to get rid of the dead bird when spotted.
And the other birds would leave it alone.
But, it was easy enough to throw it in the fire and then feed it to the chickens.

p22 wrote:
Sun Sep 20, 2020 1:06 pm
avisitor wrote:
Sat Sep 19, 2020 7:00 pm
Did he say that every precept has an exception?
I don't remember if he said every- 😊
Well, that could be my memory playing tricks on me.
Or just the way I wanted to interpret his words.
It happens often to me when I am impatient.
He did say every precept has exception -- at about 1 minute 5 seconds into the talk-

So, your memory didn't trick you- 😊

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