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How do you imagine an Ideal Forum?

Post by changzhao » Thu Jul 05, 2018 9:55 am

How do you imagine an Ideal Forum?

For me, it would be a meditative place.

Not much superficial talking...

Freedom in asking any questions, on any topics.

Interesting and diverse responses.

...

Now, problems and ideas:

- When I'm writing this posting, animated smilies distract.
Get rid of them.

- Don't delete content, rather move it away.
I totally agree with Anders: https://www.zen1.space/viewtopic.php?p=3088#p3088

- Robes don't make a teacher. I got most good advice from mere mortals.
So let everybody be equal - without formal divisions into "serious practitioners", "teachers" and "less privileged speakers". (I can tell pretty well myself who I like to listen to...)

- The less knowledge and training we have, the more noise we generate...
It's not always possible to distinguish superficial chat from a clever response ("You too go drink tea", is that a useful answer on a forum?.. Hmmm... It might even change from moment to moment...)
Let all users be able to remove any post from a discussion, moving it to "The Basement". Ideally, leaving a trace (link) in the old place. Technically, it's easy to do that with PHP/MySQL.
You might think that this level of freedom would be easily abused, but why not try this, at least in some space?
It could help us to develop more consideration about what people would or wouldn't listen to.

- Question and Answer format suits presenting various viewpoints better than flat forum.
Have you been on Quora?
-*- Its engine presents every viewpoint (from every user) as a separate answer, thus helping it to remain not diluted by flood.
-*- Users can move answers and comments up and down by voting, or even move low quality content away "to the basement".
...
For discussing questions, it's much more suitable than traditional forum engine.

Something similar exists here:
https://buddhism.stackexchange.com/
but I personally think that Quora have better (minimalistic) look, where UI elements don't distract from the answer.

I'm thinking of writing some kind of simple Q&A software, free from ads and distractions, suitable for meditative exchange.
If anyone is interested in such work, let's do it.
It's really not that much work - maybe a month or the like; and it could be kept on GitHub, where anybody could improve it at any time.

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Re: How do you imagine an Ideal Forum?

Post by changzhao » Thu Jul 05, 2018 10:24 am

PS. I just rented some cheap VPS service, and try to use Phabricator - that's the software behind Quora and some other web sites.

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Re: How do you imagine an Ideal Forum?

Post by fuki » Thu Jul 05, 2018 12:26 pm

changzhao wrote:
Thu Jul 05, 2018 9:55 am
How do you imagine an Ideal Forum?
Disease free, meaning differences are not (perceived) in opposition.
Ofcourse not turning your back on dis-ease since all (perceived) obstructions are illusions.

I also enjoy humour and other 'superficial' thingies.
:111:
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Re: How do you imagine an Ideal Forum?

Post by jundocohen » Thu Jul 05, 2018 12:59 pm

I am just curious who is this Mr. Changzhao who shows up and immediately starts rearranging the furniture?

The forum structure is good. Members need to police themselves. Politeness should always be foremost (we all overstep sometimes, but generally one should bend over backwards to be respectful, gentle tongued and honor others), even when folks strongly and vigorously disagree on ideas and beliefs. Folks should politely agree to disagree on matters of Buddhist "theology," respecting each others' practices even as they criticize and reject politely from their one side.

The conversation here is generally good, but one needs many more and experienced Zen members. It tends to be the same 6 people again and again, and that is not a good forum. That is a good lunch table. :-)

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Re: How do you imagine an Ideal Forum?

Post by fuki » Thu Jul 05, 2018 1:09 pm

jundocohen wrote:
Thu Jul 05, 2018 12:59 pm
I am just curious who is this Mr. Changzhao who shows up and immediately starts rearranging the furniture?
I believe it is our Russian dharma brother I remember from zfi.
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Re: How do you imagine an Ideal Forum?

Post by lindama » Thu Jul 05, 2018 2:36 pm

yes, I think it's our Russian dharma brother... I missed speaking with him. He got so serious. If you ask me, I think he didn't like my diverse response back when.

Welcome Changzhao

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Re: How do you imagine an Ideal Forum?

Post by changzhao » Thu Jul 05, 2018 4:18 pm

Here is the Q&A site to play:
https://forum.obschy.ru/ponder/
Login: test
Pass: test4test
After login, click the Star (favorites) and choose "Ponder".
Or choose "More Applications" from the menu sidebar, and then look for "Ponder"
Or paste URL:
https://forum.obschy.ru/ponder/

Jundo,
what should I wait for, before starting to rearrange furniture?

Fuki,
yes, that's me. Or, no, actually, that person never existed.
We should get acquainted from start...
Anyway, greetings from snowy Russia! :hatsoff:

Linda,
though we had disagreements sometimes, we mostly had a lot of warm exchanges.
Didn't we? :110:
...Still ready to walk you around Moscow if you come...

Here I'm not planning to participate much in fora... Just came by to share few thoughts.

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Re: How do you imagine an Ideal Forum?

Post by lindama » Thu Jul 05, 2018 4:29 pm

changzhao wrote:
Thu Jul 05, 2018 4:18 pm
Linda,
though we had disagreements sometimes, we mostly had a lot of warm exchanges.
Didn't we? :110:
...Still ready to walk you around Moscow if you come...
yes, we did.... so I missed you. :110:

It's a dream, but I am fascinated with visiting Russia, and Europe (again).

linda

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Re: How do you imagine an Ideal Forum?

Post by fuki » Thu Jul 05, 2018 4:36 pm

changzhao wrote:
Thu Jul 05, 2018 4:18 pm
Fuki,
yes, that's me. Or, no, actually, that person never existed.
We should get acquainted from start...
Anyway, greetings from snowy Russia! :hatsoff:
No place to start, Brother! Let's only talk about the great function.
Greetings from sunny Zandvoort. :111:
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Re: How do you imagine an Ideal Forum?

Post by changzhao » Thu Jul 05, 2018 4:50 pm

:hatsoff:

Another idea...
It might be great if (anyone (?)) could mark "offtopic" - posts or their parts - with slightly different color.

Imagine, there goes some discussion, and then people address each other and whatnot...
...and that part is marked maybe yellow-ish...
...And then another part is blue-ish again...

So we could see and feel which part goes about the original point, and which is... just something else.
It might help to navigate and maybe sometimes to develop awareness...

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Re: How do you imagine an Ideal Forum?

Post by fuki » Thu Jul 05, 2018 4:57 pm

changzhao wrote:
Thu Jul 05, 2018 4:50 pm
:hatsoff:

Another idea...
It might be great if (anyone (?)) could mark "offtopic" - posts or their parts - with slightly different color.

Imagine, there goes some discussion, and then people address each other and whatnot...
...and that part is marked maybe yellow-ish...
...And then another part is blue-ish again...

So we could see and feel which part goes about the original point, and which is... just something else.
It might help to navigate and maybe sometimes to develop awareness...
Great idea! :558:
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Re: How do you imagine an Ideal Forum?

Post by Dan74 » Thu Jul 05, 2018 5:04 pm

Hi Changzhao :hatsoff:

In principle, anything's possible. I'd be especially open to having a dedicated space (a part) of the forum in whatever experimental format to try out and see how it goes in practice, if that's possible.


I don't know how much fiddling with phpBB you want to do, and how confused the folks here are going to get by the changes, so it'd be good to have any changes confined to the experimental space.

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