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Re: Nothing goes...

Post by fuki » Fri Mar 02, 2018 10:21 am

dan wrote:The point Meido makes, if I undestand it correctly, is that even if the folks offer you a velvet handkerchief with a dagger hidden beneath, there is a possibility to quickly avail yourself of the handkerchief and thank them, rather than try to lambast them over the dagger that others may not see, or that may not even be there. Let them expose themselves, if indeed their intentions are poisonous. Engage with the wholesome. And perhaps when the heart is truly open and inquiring, even a poisonous dagger could be transformed into the Manjusri's wisdom-sword?
Good point Dan, but there have already been a lot of victims throughout the years of this poison I speak of. Just like teachers can be sexual predators, how many victims must he make before ppl are allowed to speak of it, 10, 20, or only when it hits the newspapers? Many victims already tried to speak out but got terrorised even further, I guess Clinton was the victim and not Lewinski ;)
So no one in here can tell me when to speak or not to speak, and I do because zenspace needs to be free of this cancer, I've seen it jump like this before, Jundo or cao have no idea what's happening, they're doing what they think is best. I'm right on top of this and this time I will not bend an inch, I will keep stating things as they are until this cancer is gone from zenspace.
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Re: Nothing goes...

Post by Dan74 » Fri Mar 02, 2018 10:51 am

Fuki, this was in reference to a thread on DW, but you speak of "cancer on zenspace", I'm not following.

Also "cancer"?? Just a few dots on the screen, the rest is us, no?

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Re: Nothing goes...

Post by bokki » Fri Mar 02, 2018 11:03 am

f uki im also inetrested in what r u saying here.
?
id really like 2 understand.

say it clean, bro

we may disagree,

but let me first understand

what r u saying?
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Re: Nothing goes...

Post by fuki » Fri Mar 02, 2018 11:03 am

Dan74 wrote:
Fri Mar 02, 2018 10:51 am
Fuki, this was in reference to a thread on DW, but you speak of "cancer on zenspace", I'm not following.

Also "cancer"?? Just a few dots on the screen, the rest is us, no?
It's like a carrier of a virus who doesnt get affected themselves but can spread the disease to other species/places. So Jundo's initial post is an example of that merely by discussing it (I know I already made some "mistakes") to ensure no one falls pray to the disease it's best to delete both topics, allowing it to float even locked will cause much demerit, I'm neither omniscient nor a prophet but the pattern is obvious to me. It's understandable to ppl might be clueless what I speak of, and let me say not much more, see it as an advice (the removing of both topics) from the insane who've seen both sides of the asylum ;)
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Re: Nothing goes...

Post by fuki » Fri Mar 02, 2018 11:06 am

bokki wrote:
Fri Mar 02, 2018 11:03 am
f uki im also inetrested in what r u saying here.
?
id really like 2 understand.

say it clean, bro

we may disagree,

but let me first understand

what r u saying?
Can't do it here bro, but I'll send you a pm with observations about the infection and its patterns later today or tomorrow. It depends.
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Re: Nothing goes...

Post by Meido » Fri Mar 02, 2018 6:54 pm

fuki wrote:
Fri Mar 02, 2018 10:21 am
I'm right on top of this and this time I will not bend an inch, I will keep stating things as they are until this cancer is gone from zenspace.
Except of course that it is the moderators' and staff members' job to keep things running smoothly.

Fuki, I'm also not sure what the problem here is to which you refer. Please feel free to PM staff to explain your concerns.

In general, I would like to remind everyone that the correct course of action for members in regard to posts that offend against the TOS is to report them. Staff will then take a look, and take action if we feel warranted.

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Re: Nothing goes...

Post by fuki » Fri Mar 02, 2018 7:16 pm

Meido wrote:
Fri Mar 02, 2018 6:54 pm

Except of course that it is the moderators' and staff members' job to keep things running smoothly.

Fuki, I'm also not sure what the problem here is to which you refer. Please feel free to PM staff to explain your concerns.

In general, I would like to remind everyone that the correct course of action for members in regard to posts that offend against the TOS is to report them. Staff will then take a look, and take action if we feel warranted.

~ Meido
I understand staff is here to run things smoothly, eventhough ppl have enjoyed "the freshness" of zenspace, the problem/issue I perceive is indirectly related to why zenspace ever was created in the first place, namely unspent energies of the past dating back a long time. I have no reason to pm staff or members about this "problem" for I have no one to convince or to manipulate since I adressed a situation and was no smear-campaign, names are included however. If this situation develops further on zenspace I will deal with it as it arises, if it doesnt arise I have no need of stating any problem. I hope this is the "end" of it, as I said I wish zenspace to remain free from this virus. A lot of zen ppl on all the old forums have been deliberately hurt, laughed at their hurt, smeared and no longer on forums because of this "problem". You do not want this history to unfold here or rebirth here, but again if I feel I need to react when such a situation arises again I will not be silent and it will not be gently, regardless if ppl think I'm adressing a situation or a person. so pps I will not pm anyone also not bokki, it would be a mistake from my part.
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Re: Nothing goes...

Post by Meido » Fri Mar 02, 2018 8:38 pm

Fuki, since staff is unclear (or at least, I am) what the problem is to which you refer, I would like to invite you again to please PM and clarify your concerns. We are all invested in the good of the forum, and I'd appreciate it greatly.

No one should remain silent regarding topics and posts that offend against the TOS. I wanted only to remind above regarding the correct way to "not stay silent."

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Re: Nothing goes...

Post by fuki » Fri Mar 02, 2018 9:23 pm

Meido words will provide no clarity, eventhough what I might say will be true and correct, it might be unbeneficial for you and others of the staff so please allow me to keep silent. The irony is if I clarify the problem the seed will sprout, and this distastefulness will spread. If this is confusing you may delete all my posts related. Again I already said too much and could have kept my silence before, oops karma ;) Trust me on this, these conditions cannot be settled here nor on pm for it doesnt affect you, but it will if I do utter words, they may settle in a different time and different place under more favourable conditions. (hence my previous "advice") Currently there is no problem on zenspace, I might have jumped to prevent them, I cannot know that, only a Buddha could. But I acted from the place which matters most, all transgression are for me, thats the complexity of it, any more "preventing" can cause an epidemic, that's how sly this situation is. It's all good forget about it, members here responded very mature, I'm in debt to them. again if its confusing/distracting just delete my posts, I cannot know what I did was proper.
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Re: Nothing goes...

Post by Meido » Fri Mar 02, 2018 9:38 pm

No problem. In this case, let's move on for now.

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Re: Nothing goes...

Post by bokki » Fri Mar 02, 2018 9:52 pm

ok, f uki, what u decide is prob d best.
iv would said it clear..
iv had soo much chit just 4 keeping things clear..
well..
no matter..
who is preventing,
you to say what u want?

raise a problem?, bro, say what is it!
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Re: Nothing goes...

Post by [james] » Sat Mar 03, 2018 3:07 am

fuki wrote:
Fri Mar 02, 2018 11:03 am
Dan74 wrote:
Fri Mar 02, 2018 10:51 am
Fuki, this was in reference to a thread on DW, but you speak of "cancer on zenspace", I'm not following.

Also "cancer"?? Just a few dots on the screen, the rest is us, no?
It's like a carrier of a virus who doesnt get affected themselves but can spread the disease to other species/places. So Jundo's initial post is an example of that merely by discussing it (I know I already made some "mistakes") to ensure no one falls pray to the disease it's best to delete both topics, allowing it to float even locked will cause much demerit, I'm neither omniscient nor a prophet but the pattern is obvious to me. It's understandable to ppl might be clueless what I speak of, and let me say not much more, see it as an advice (the removing of both topics) from the insane who've seen both sides of the asylum ;)
This is sounding like a spooky movie. Is your leg broken, is your house burning down? I don’t hear you laughing now. You’ve brought this “infection” here. It’s too late for deletion. “The irony is if I clarify the problem the seed will sprout ...” The seed is already sprouted. What now? “That’s how sly the situation is”. I‘m not laughing either.

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Post by guo gu » Sat Mar 03, 2018 4:23 am

so back to the original post:

"The blue mountain is the father of the white cloud. The white cloud is the son of the blue mountain. All day long they depend on each other, without being dependent on each other. The white cloud is always the white cloud. The blue mountain is always the blue mountain."
~Zen Master Tozan

this is a case of...

clouds and mountains
depending on one another
who dare to harmonize the two?

streams and valleys
neither flowing nor receiving
sitting amidst burnt up ashes.

iag,
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Re: Nothing goes...

Post by fuki » Sat Mar 03, 2018 12:10 pm

James laughing while my house is on fire would be crazy, but standing outside (cats save) looking at the inevitable destruction there's always room for humour, it's the "power" of relativity I guess ;)

Last night a plate broke in the hallway, so I had to clean and refill the cats waterbowl, I forgot the reason I laughed but it was highly amusing.

Thanks guo gu.
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Re: Nothing goes...

Post by fuki » Tue Mar 06, 2018 7:58 pm

Larry wrote:
Tue Mar 06, 2018 5:01 pm
:109:
I think it's time for us to be locked back in the lounge :lol:
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Re: Nothing goes...

Post by bokki » Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:24 pm

leonard..
THAT WAS TOP, fuki
an A+ and more!


tho, ill say, i dont want to know what u 2 do, locked in the lounge..
just 2 say..
ill b basic ignorance!
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Re: Nothing goes...

Post by fuki » Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:31 pm

One day as Manjushri stood outside the gate, the Buddha called to him, “Manjushri, Manjushri, why do you not enter?”

Manjushri replied, “I do not see myself outside. Why enter?”

Are you still thinking, looking, living, as from an imaginary phenomenal centre?
As long as you do that you can never recognise your freedom.
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Re: Nothing goes...

Post by bokki » Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:44 pm

Manjushri replied, “I do not see myself outside. Why enter?”

Are you still thinking, looking, living, as from an imaginary phenomenal centre?
As long as you do that you can never recognise your freedom.
hmm, do u or dont u recocnise the difference in these 2 statements???

so, thinking, looking, living is a BARRIER to your freedom?

what d f are u saying? how deeep wide tall will ur wisdom grow?

ok, fuki
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Re: Nothing goes...

Post by fuki » Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:51 pm

What I was saying friend, let ppl have rules, religions, tell you to go here and there, why let that be an object of bondage?

Who's looking out of your eyes? you? me? in full attention where is there any center arising and differentiating?

Rub those eyes is there any Nirvana other then you are?

wow thats a record of ? in a single post!

:jump1:
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Re: Nothing goes...

Post by fuki » Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:01 pm

Who speaks the sound of an echo?
Who paints the image in a mirror?
Where are the spectacles in a dream?
Nowhere at all -- that's the nature of mind!
~Tantric Buddhist Women's Songs,  8th - 11th c.

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