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Enver M.
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Morale disordered

Post by Enver M. » Thu Dec 20, 2018 7:24 pm

hi friends, :wool:

my morale is disordered.i'm somewhat downcast
but please don't ask me the question "Why"

what will be your advices to overcome this feeling?

The jokes are not satisfying

thanks...
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Re: Morale disordered

Post by fuki » Thu Dec 20, 2018 7:42 pm

Enver M. wrote:
Thu Dec 20, 2018 7:24 pm
hi friends, :wool:

my morale is disordered.i'm somewhat downcast
but please don't ask me the question "Why"

what will be your advices to overcome this feeling?

The jokes are not satisfying

thanks...
Klesha=Bodhi my friend.

Don't try to push it away nor dwell in it.
This is not a task for your mind but your awareness.

Nevertheless to overcome anything you first need to understand it fully, its causes and conditions - on what it depends.
Don't view it as something negative or unwanted, consider it a blessing, whatever appears for you is a key to insight,
everything is like that.
:115:
Once you realize this principle, the source of this fragrance, you can use it any way you want.
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Re: Morale disordered

Post by Mason » Fri Dec 21, 2018 12:35 am

My computer laughs at your computer.

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Re: Morale disordered

Post by desert_woodworker » Fri Dec 21, 2018 2:32 pm

Enver, maybe try "a change of scenery", a small vacation. Or, a big vacation.

You may also like to take some Yoga classes, which can sometimes serve as a "mini-oasis" in the desert... .

I'm sincere in this, and not offering a joke (but the jokes in the "Jokes" section here are pretty good, too).

Laughter may be a universal medicine, also, although Doctors seem usually to dispense other much more costly things.

"May all beings be well and happy" is the wish that the Buddha offered, and it still stands after 2500 years and is as fresh as ever.

--Joe

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Re: Morale disordered

Post by Kaya » Fri Dec 21, 2018 9:54 pm

desert_woodworker wrote:
Fri Dec 21, 2018 2:32 pm
Enver, maybe try "a change of scenery", a small vacation. Or, a big vacation.

You may also like to take some Yoga classes, which can sometimes serve as a "mini-oasis" in the desert... .

I'm sincere in this, and not offering a joke (but the jokes in the "Jokes" section here are pretty good, too).

Laughter may be a universal medicine, also, although Doctors seem usually to dispense other much more costly things.

"May all beings be well and happy" is the wish that the Buddha offered, and it still stands after 2500 years and is as fresh as ever.

--Joe
Yes, yoga and laughter potentially help heal and likely do no harm.

Enver M. wrote: my morale is disordered.i'm somewhat downcast
but please don't ask me the question "Why"
Enver: You are wise not to seek an online diagnosis.

Are your disordered morale symptoms clinically significant? I.e., Do they include disruption of your daily life to a troubling degree? Any thoughts of self harm?

I am not familiar with Mental Health treatment in Turkey, but if troubling symptoms persist consider contacting a qualified MH counselor. One way you might "overcome this feeling" is to explore possible diagnoses, e.g., seasonal affective disorder, etc., with a trusted competent counselor, to arrive at the best treatment.

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Re: Morale disordered

Post by Enver M. » Sun Dec 23, 2018 7:05 am

thanks Kaya.I'm fine.trying not to be clinical.
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Re: Morale disordered

Post by Enver M. » Fri Jan 11, 2019 6:39 pm

I've not a power of one single inch to hold up a weight.
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Re: Morale disordered

Post by fuki » Fri Jan 11, 2019 8:39 pm

Enver M. wrote:
Fri Jan 11, 2019 6:39 pm
I've not a power of one single inch to hold up a weight.
Sure but don't neglect physical practise (a desert birdie told me)
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Re: Morale disordered

Post by lobster » Sat Jan 12, 2019 10:45 am

Enver M. wrote:
Thu Dec 20, 2018 7:24 pm
hi friends, :wool:

my morale is disordered.i'm somewhat downcast
but please don't ask me the question "Why"

what will be your advices to overcome this feeling?

The jokes are not satisfying

thanks...
Music :115:

oh and time ... no doubt your mood has changed many times since posting ... :waving:

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Re: Morale disordered

Post by Enver M. » Sat Jan 12, 2019 11:26 am

lobster wrote:
Music :115:

oh and time ... no doubt your mood has changed many times since posting ... :waving:
Thank you lobster..sweet of you.

the thing is that life is full of problems and the mastery is to be able to avoid from them fully.

ah..and if you can success in that, appraise your free time with doing zazen.

the lucky ones are those..
jump to the water (how will you learn to swim)

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In my words, Both Bull & Self Transcended

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Re: Morale disordered

Post by Seeker242 » Sat Jan 12, 2019 12:27 pm

Sitting and breathing in and out. :bow2:

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Re: Morale disordered

Post by Enver M. » Sat Jan 12, 2019 1:36 pm

Yea, the people are dealing with each other in a way.don't know how do they do this.
jump to the water (how will you learn to swim)

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In my words, Both Bull & Self Transcended

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Re: Morale disordered

Post by Enver M. » Sat Jan 12, 2019 1:57 pm

No one is saying "You are right", everyone says "I'm right!".
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Re: Morale disordered

Post by Enver M. » Sat Jan 12, 2019 3:21 pm

For me, we have to learn to live together.
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Re: Morale disordered

Post by lindama » Sat Jan 12, 2019 3:29 pm

Welcome it Enver and relax. Let it be. Be kind to the one who feels this. I've learned that it is one key on my piano. Early on my path, someone told me that you can only laugh as hard as you can cry.

For me, it has never felt right to distract myself out of my blue/black energy. This too shall pass. Awareness and experience can help me be kind. Here is a feeling that wants to be seen. The practice is to hold the tension. It's good to stay open and active to the extent that you can. When I am like that, tai chi can bring out a diff sensibility without forcing it. I have many parts and it's good to notice how fluid they are. And, thru experience, more and more, I understand that it's the stories i tell that reify the feeling. Then, I can experience what is without so much suffering.

Long time ago, after years of being on the path, I was going thru a rocky period, tectonic plates were moving. I was desperate, nothing worked and I knew this was the last retreat I would be able to do with this teacher. I cornered him in the kitchen on the last morning... I said... I've done all this work, I don't know.... blah, blah. He looked at me with eyes of light and steel and kindly said: "oh, (pause) relax, it's going to get worse". I stopped in my tracks, shook into the reality of it. a zen moment. It was a pearl with no price.

This exploration could use words like true nature, etc. That is at the base, yet it's pretty intellectual until the pearl appears. so I side step.
Enver: For me, we have to learn to live together.
I don't know what you mean by this. I was going to say that it's work to relax into the war and chaos in the world, in your neighborhood and mine. I follow events fairly closely outside the MSM. Books can be written about this exploration within. In terms of inner strength, the task seems to be to hold ones true nature while avoid identifying with the energies manifesting. It's clearly not working in the US. sigh

best wishes
linda

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Re: Morale disordered

Post by Enver M. » Sat Jan 12, 2019 5:12 pm

thank you, linda.
jump to the water (how will you learn to swim)

This is Dogen's dropping off body and mind

In my words, Both Bull & Self Transcended

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