The Great Exoteric Brain Machine

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The Great Exoteric Brain Machine

Post by Mason » Sat Dec 22, 2018 7:03 pm

Spit me some zen and I'll try to translate it! :twisted:

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Re: The Great Exoteric Brain Machine

Post by fuki » Sat Dec 22, 2018 7:09 pm

Mason wrote:
Sat Dec 22, 2018 7:03 pm
Spit me some zen and I'll try to translate it! :twisted:
What do you suppose all the cat, bird, deer and bunny pics are for!

Ok...
cat, bird, deer, bunny.... :cat:
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Re: The Great Exoteric Brain Machine

Post by Mason » Sat Dec 22, 2018 7:12 pm

Stream entry, once-returner, non-returner and Victorious.

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Re: The Great Exoteric Brain Machine

Post by Mason » Sat Dec 22, 2018 7:13 pm

:cat: = Buddhahood

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Re: The Great Exoteric Brain Machine

Post by fuki » Sat Dec 22, 2018 7:20 pm

I like it, but no none of it has anything to do with additions to perception, which is a very literal hint ironically larry

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Re: The Great Exoteric Brain Machine

Post by Mason » Sat Dec 22, 2018 7:29 pm

Great Death (cessation of perception and feeling) depends on the first jhana realm of pure mental suchness lights.

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Re: The Great Exoteric Brain Machine

Post by fuki » Sat Dec 22, 2018 7:37 pm

Mason wrote:
Sat Dec 22, 2018 7:29 pm
Great Death (cessation of perception and feeling) depends on the first jhana realm of pure mental suchness lights.
No I have a much more simpler mind then that, perhaps imagine you were looking at cats, deers, birds and bunnies as if you were 8 years old
I never communicate adult stuff
ps nothing to do with arising or cessation nor any frame of reference
[SPOILER]
well only "adult" stuff with Larry perhaps :lol:
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Re: The Great Exoteric Brain Machine

Post by Mason » Sat Dec 22, 2018 7:42 pm

8 years old = right view, right resolve, right speech, right effort, right mindfulness, right concentration.

Adult stuff = esoteric tantric practices

non-arising, non-ceasing: phenomena do not arise from themselves, from each other, from themselves and each other, or without a cause.

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Re: The Great Exoteric Brain Machine

Post by desert_woodworker » Sat Dec 22, 2018 7:43 pm

Mason wrote:
Sat Dec 22, 2018 7:03 pm
...I'll try to translate it!
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(this one is easy)

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Re: The Great Exoteric Brain Machine

Post by Mason » Sat Dec 22, 2018 7:46 pm

Right View is the beginning of the path.

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Re: The Great Exoteric Brain Machine

Post by fuki » Sat Dec 22, 2018 7:47 pm

Mason wrote:
Sat Dec 22, 2018 7:42 pm
8 years old = right view, right resolve, right speech, right effort, right mindfulness, right concentration.

Adult stuff = esoteric tantric practices

non-arising, non-ceasing: phenomena do not arise from themselves, from each other, from themselves and each other, or without a cause.
If it's not the forum my camera may be defect! :lol:
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Re: The Great Exoteric Brain Machine

Post by Mason » Sat Dec 22, 2018 7:52 pm

Seems like someone just practiced phowa with my sister.

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Re: The Great Exoteric Brain Machine

Post by desert_woodworker » Sat Dec 22, 2018 7:53 pm

Mason wrote:
Sat Dec 22, 2018 7:46 pm
Right View is the beginning of the path.
Before it comes "Attention!"

And, Precepts -- these ways of a Buddha -- are the on-ramp to the Buddhaway.

Drive safely, All,

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Re: The Great Exoteric Brain Machine

Post by Mason » Sat Dec 22, 2018 7:58 pm

desert_woodworker wrote:
Sat Dec 22, 2018 7:53 pm
Mason wrote:
Sat Dec 22, 2018 7:46 pm
Right View is the beginning of the path.
Before it comes "Attention!"

And, Precepts, these ways of a Buddha, are the on-ramp to the Buddhaway.

Drive safely, All,

--Joe
For kensho (seeing-nature), samadhi is a prerequisite. Precepts are prerequisite to samadhi.

To drive safely one must practice the eightfold path. Otherwise one will make mistakes, thinking that killing means actual killing and not teaching the dharma.

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Re: The Great Exoteric Brain Machine

Post by Mason » Sat Dec 22, 2018 7:58 pm

fuki wrote:
Sat Dec 22, 2018 7:47 pm
Mason wrote:
Sat Dec 22, 2018 7:42 pm
8 years old = right view, right resolve, right speech, right effort, right mindfulness, right concentration.

Adult stuff = esoteric tantric practices

non-arising, non-ceasing: phenomena do not arise from themselves, from each other, from themselves and each other, or without a cause.
If it's not the forum my camera may be defect! :lol:
Mutual dependence of awareness and contents of awareness.

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Re: The Great Exoteric Brain Machine

Post by fuki » Sat Dec 22, 2018 8:00 pm

Mason wrote:
Sat Dec 22, 2018 7:52 pm
Seems like someone just practiced phowa with my sister.
Funny simultaniously the telephone rang (mom)
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Re: The Great Exoteric Brain Machine

Post by Mason » Sat Dec 22, 2018 8:05 pm

The universe is adamantine synchronicity.

When this is, that is;
With the arising of this, that arises;
When this isn't, that isn't;
With the cessation of this comes the cessation of that.

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Re: The Great Exoteric Brain Machine

Post by fuki » Sat Dec 22, 2018 8:40 pm

Mason wrote:
Sat Dec 22, 2018 8:05 pm
The universe is adamantine synchronicity.
It's mostly conceptual like "mom" "christmas" "birthday" "new york"
Nothing this brain can really grasp, if you can't take a picture of it I can't celebrate or non celebrate it.
But I play my part in the comedy :D
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Re: The Great Exoteric Brain Machine

Post by desert_woodworker » Sat Dec 22, 2018 8:50 pm

Mason, hi,
Mason wrote:
Sat Dec 22, 2018 7:58 pm
For kensho (seeing-nature), samadhi is a prerequisite. Precepts are prerequisite to samadhi.
Mason, I agree with that completely . I myself do not know of exceptions. But then, I'm not a Ch'an teacher and don't sit in the dokusan room to interview people and hear details about their ongoing and progressing practice. As a practitioner, and frequent officer in service-positions on many Ch'an retreats and Zen sesshin, one has a little extra perspective on the state of the sangha and state and sense of the zendo, but not full insight. I will opine, however, or just state my experience, rather, that a person with samadhi developed can always (and does) recognize another person also in samadhi, whether walking, eating, sitting, working, or during services, or etc., anytime.

I think in general it's from a samadhi-state that one suddenly awakens, when one awakens. But that's a question for a teacher with much experience with students to answer, and to note if there have been exceptions (I'm doubting it).

Now, I have heard certain teachers say that they know of exceptions with regard to samadhi and seeing the nature ("kai wu", in the Chinese, is better I think, as it means "having nothing", or experiencing and living in Emptiness: it's when everything has suddenly stopped, for one, and remains stopped, in all activities of daily life: No Mind). But they did not elaborate. It may be, or could have been, that they were compassionately trying to quell over-hearers' excess enthusiasm for themselves to "enter samadhi", by rumoring that it's not a necessity before awakening. After all, if samadhi is going to come on, it's going to come on.

It could be good if teachers here might opine or instruct on this, too, but I wouldn't say it's a high priority matter or wish. Besides, it's the Holidays time right around now.
To drive safely one must practice the eightfold path. Otherwise one will make mistakes
I'd say that's also true, and well-observed. Ways of practicing the Path are at least two in number. One may do it with Original Mind in alignment with the Buddha-Tao while in the awakened state or condition, and then there will assuredly be no mistakes; or, one can do it by application of Will, and enforced "mindfulness" (but then, mistakes do occur, because of having and maintaining a leading-idea). The safest proposition for doing no harm is ...to wake up. For that, one needs the right teacher and other good cooperating causes and conditions.

As I see it.

(no disagreements, and nothing new . Agreeing, and adding a few glosses, I think).

best,

--Joe

ps I'd say, too, that effective practice is the demolition or simply dissolution of all "views", including views of a path. So, there I do disagree. Yet, even completely dissolved, the path is what one LIVES: It is just our true nature. Nothing added or missing, and definitely nothing special. Just coming home, and being home. As special as that, though! A consummation devoutly to be wished, ...for all beings. Now, some may say that we're always home, whether we like it or not. But realizing it is what makes it really real. This takes correct practice to wake-up-to, as is pretty obvious.
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Re: The Great Exoteric Brain Machine

Post by desert_woodworker » Sat Dec 22, 2018 8:59 pm

Mason,
Mason wrote:Right View is the beginning of the path.
Calligraphy written by my late teacher, Ch'an Master Sheng Yen.

It reads, "Ch'an".

--Joe

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