Now, now; if Old Golden-Face had been satisfied with being the best Hindu-practice student that his five Hindu teachers had ever had, we might never have heard of him, and "Buddhism" -- such as it is -- might never have developed (almost certainly not... ). So, I tip what's left of my ragged old hat to ...The Man Who Woke Up. He showed a Way to be walked. Hail!fuki wrote: ↑Fri Dec 28, 2018 2:11 pmAs for Shakya being "unsatisfied" no sorry I don't buy that, all religions have such tales to set up one religion against the other (or to win "souls"), I'm sure today the historical buddha would frown at some practises/ideas/conduct in Buddhism too and be 'unsatisfied' with them. But yes I agree that "history" doesn't matter at all.