Entry into Emptiness

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Entry into Emptiness

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I enjoy and appreciate the relentless inevitability of this sutta’s structure. I insist that I patiently read and absorb the repetitive phrasing, savoring my boredom and desire that it quickly “get to the point”. But, read slowly, like a small boat on a large, tranquil river drifting pleasantly to the precipice ...

Perhaps there is a better place than the Lounge to post this but as the recurring refrain says: “Thus he regards it as empty of whatever is not there.” It, in this case and in my view, being the Lounge.

So, if you do read this sutta at all, please allow yourself the opportunity to do so in a manner that permits your mind to “take pleasure, find satisfaction, settle, & indulge in its perception”.

Cula-suññata Sutta: The Lesser Discourse on Emptiness

I have heard that on one occasion the Blessed One was staying at Savatthi in the Eastern Monastery, the palace of Migara's mother. Then in the evening, Ven. Ananda, coming out of seclusion, went to the Blessed One and, on arrival, having bowed down to him, sat to one side. As he was sitting there, he said to the Blessed One: "On one occasion, when the Blessed One was staying among the Sakyans in a Sakyan town named Nagaraka, there — face-to-face with the Blessed One — I heard this, face-to-face I learned this: 'I now remain fully in a dwelling of emptiness.' Did I hear that correctly, learn it correctly, attend to it correctly, remember it correctly?"

[The Buddha:] "Yes, Ananda, you heard that correctly, learned it correctly, attended to it correctly, remembered it correctly. Now, as well as before, I remain fully in a dwelling of emptiness. Just as this palace of Migara's mother is empty of elephants, cattle, & mares, empty of gold & silver, empty of assemblies of women & men, and there is only this non-emptiness — the singleness based on the community of monks; even so, Ananda, a monk — not attending to the perception[1] of village, not attending to the perception of human being — attends to the singleness based on the perception of wilderness. His mind takes pleasure, finds satisfaction, settles, & indulges in its perception of wilderness.

"He discerns that 'Whatever disturbances that would exist based on the perception of village are not present. Whatever disturbances that would exist based on the perception of human being are not present. There is only this modicum of disturbance: the singleness based on the perception of wilderness.' He discerns that 'This mode of perception is empty of the perception of village. This mode of perception is empty of the perception of human being. There is only this non-emptiness: the singleness based on the perception of wilderness.' Thus he regards it as empty of whatever is not there. Whatever remains, he discerns as present: 'There is this.' And so this, his entry into emptiness, accords with actuality, is undistorted in meaning, & pure.

The Perception of Earth

"Further, Ananda, the monk — not attending to the perception of human being, not attending to the perception of wilderness — attends to the singleness based on the perception of earth. His mind takes pleasure, finds satisfaction, settles, & indulges in its perception of earth. Just as a bull's hide is stretched free from wrinkles with a hundred stakes, even so — without attending to all the ridges & hollows, the river ravines, the tracts of stumps & thorns, the craggy irregularities of this earth — he attends to the singleness based on the perception of earth. His mind takes pleasure, finds satisfaction, settles, & indulges in its perception of earth.

"He discerns that 'Whatever disturbances that would exist based on the perception of human being are not present. Whatever disturbances that would exist based on the perception of wilderness are not present. There is only this modicum of disturbance: the singleness based on the perception of earth.' He discerns that 'This mode of perception is empty of the perception of human being. This mode of perception is empty of the perception of wilderness. There is only this non-emptiness: the singleness based on the perception of earth.' Thus he regards it as empty of whatever is not there. Whatever remains, he discerns as present: 'There is this.' And so this, his entry into emptiness, accords with actuality, is undistorted in meaning, & pure.

The Infinitude of Space

"Further, Ananda, the monk — not attending to the perception of wilderness, not attending to the perception of earth — attends to the singleness based on the perception of the dimension of the infinitude of space. His mind takes pleasure, finds satisfaction, settles, & indulges in its perception of the dimension of the infinitude of space.

"He discerns that 'Whatever disturbances that would exist based on the perception of wilderness are not present. Whatever disturbances that would exist based on the perception of earth are not present. There is only this modicum of disturbance: the singleness based on the perception of the dimension of the infinitude of space.' He discerns that 'This mode of perception is empty of the perception of wilderness. This mode of perception is empty of the perception of earth. There is only this non-emptiness: the singleness based on the perception of the dimension of the infinitude of space.' Thus he regards it as empty of whatever is not there. Whatever remains, he discerns as present: 'There is this.' And so this, his entry into emptiness, accords with actuality, is undistorted in meaning, & pure.

The Infinitude of Consciousness

"Further, Ananda, the monk — not attending to the perception of earth, not attending to the perception of the dimension of the infinitude of space — attends to the singleness based on the perception of the dimension of the infinitude of consciousness. His mind takes pleasure, finds satisfaction, settles, & indulges in its perception of the dimension of the infinitude of consciousness.

"He discerns that 'Whatever disturbances that would exist based on the perception of earth are not present. Whatever disturbances that would exist based on the perception of the dimension of the infinitude of space are not present. There is only this modicum of disturbance: the singleness based on the perception of the dimension of the infinitude of consciousness.' He discerns that 'This mode of perception is empty of the perception of earth. This mode of perception is empty of the perception of the dimension of the infinitude of space. There is only this non-emptiness: the singleness based on the perception of the dimension of the infinitude of consciousness.' Thus he regards it as empty of whatever is not there. Whatever remains, he discerns as present: 'There is this.' And so this, his entry into emptiness, accords with actuality, is undistorted in meaning, & pure.

Nothingness

"Further, Ananda, the monk — not attending to the perception of the dimension of the infinitude of space, not attending to the perception of the dimension of the infinitude of consciousness — attends to the singleness based on the perception of the dimension of nothingness. His mind takes pleasure, finds satisfaction, settles, & indulges in its perception of the dimension of nothingness.

"He discerns that 'Whatever disturbances that would exist based on the perception of the dimension of the infinitude of space are not present. Whatever disturbances that would exist based on the perception of the dimension of the infinitude of consciousness are not present. There is only this modicum of disturbance: the singleness based on the perception of the dimension of nothingness.' He discerns that 'This mode of perception is empty of the perception of the dimension of the infinitude of space. This mode of perception is empty of the perception of the dimension of the infinitude of consciousness. There is only this non-emptiness: the singleness based on the perception of the dimension of nothingness.' Thus he regards it as empty of whatever is not there. Whatever remains, he discerns as present: 'There is this.' And so this, his entry into emptiness, accords with actuality, is undistorted in meaning, & pure.

Neither Perception nor Non-Perception

"Further, Ananda, the monk — not attending to the perception of the dimension of the infinitude of consciousness, not attending to the perception of the dimension of nothingness — attends to the singleness based on the dimension of neither perception nor non-perception. His mind takes pleasure, finds satisfaction, settles, & indulges in the dimension of neither perception nor non-perception.

"He discerns that 'Whatever disturbances that would exist based on the perception of the dimension of the infinitude of consciousness are not present. Whatever disturbances that would exist based on the perception of the dimension of nothingness are not present. There is only this modicum of disturbance: the singleness based on the dimension of neither perception nor non-perception.' He discerns that 'This mode of perception is empty of the perception of the dimension of the infinitude of consciousness. This mode of perception is empty of the perception of the dimension of nothingness. There is only this non-emptiness: the singleness based on the dimension of neither perception nor non-perception.' Thus he regards it as empty of whatever is not there. Whatever remains, he discerns as present: 'There is this.' And so this, his entry into emptiness, accords with actuality, is undistorted in meaning, & pure.

Theme-Less Concentration

"Further, Ananda, the monk — not attending to the perception of the dimension of nothingness, not attending to the perception of the dimension of neither perception nor non-perception — attends to the singleness based on the theme-less concentration of awareness. His mind takes pleasure, finds satisfaction, settles, & indulges in its theme-less concentration of awareness.

"He discerns that 'Whatever disturbances that would exist based on the perception of the dimension of nothingness are not present. Whatever disturbances that would exist based on the perception of the dimension of neither perception nor non-perception, are not present. And there is only this modicum of disturbance: that connected with the six sensory spheres, dependent on this very body with life as its condition.' He discerns that 'This mode of perception is empty of the perception of the dimension of nothingness. This mode of perception is empty of the perception of the dimension of neither perception nor non-perception. There is only this non-emptiness: that connected with the six sensory spheres, dependent on this very body with life as its condition.' Thus he regards it as empty of whatever is not there. Whatever remains, he discerns as present: 'There is this.' And so this, his entry into emptiness, accords with actuality, is undistorted in meaning, & pure.

Release

"Further, Ananda, the monk — not attending to the perception of the dimension of nothingness, not attending to the perception of the dimension of neither perception nor non-perception — attends to the singleness based on the theme-less concentration of awareness. His mind takes pleasure, finds satisfaction, settles, & indulges in its theme-less concentration of awareness.

"He discerns that 'This theme-less concentration of awareness is fabricated & mentally fashioned.' And he discerns that 'Whatever is fabricated & mentally fashioned is inconstant & subject to cessation.' For him — thus knowing, thus seeing — the mind is released from the effluent of sensuality, the effluent of becoming, the effluent of ignorance. With release, there is the knowledge, 'Released.' He discerns that 'Birth is ended, the holy life fulfilled, the task done. There is nothing further for this world.'

"He discerns that 'Whatever disturbances that would exist based on the effluent of sensuality... the effluent of becoming... the effluent of ignorance, are not present. And there is only this modicum of disturbance: that connected with the six sensory spheres, dependent on this very body with life as its condition.' He discerns that 'This mode of perception is empty of the effluent of sensuality... becoming... ignorance. And there is just this non-emptiness: that connected with the six sensory spheres, dependent on this very body with life as its condition.' Thus he regards it as empty of whatever is not there. Whatever remains, he discerns as present: 'There is this.' And so this, his entry into emptiness, accords with actuality, is undistorted in meaning, pure — superior & unsurpassed.

"Ananda, whatever contemplatives and brahmans who in the past entered & remained in an emptiness that was pure, superior, & unsurpassed, they all entered & remained in this very same emptiness that is pure, superior, & unsurpassed. Whatever contemplatives and brahmans who in the future will enter & remain in an emptiness that will be pure, superior, & unsurpassed, they all will enter & remain in this very same emptiness that is pure, superior, & unsurpassed. Whatever contemplatives and brahmans who at present enter & remain in an emptiness that is pure, superior, & unsurpassed, they all enter & remain in this very same emptiness that is pure, superior, & unsurpassed.

"Therefore, Ananda, you should train yourselves: 'We will enter & remain in the emptiness that is pure, superior, & unsurpassed.'"

That is what the Blessed One said. Gratified, Ven. Ananda delighted in the Blessed One's words.

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Re: Entry into Emptiness

Post by loves' the unjust » Sun Jun 23, 2019 12:38 pm

The whole world is suffering. Emptiness is the cure teaching.
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Re: Entry into Emptiness

Post by [james] » Sun Jun 23, 2019 1:10 pm

loves' the unjust wrote:
Sun Jun 23, 2019 12:38 pm
The whole world is suffering. Emptiness is the cure teaching.
The whole world has always been suffering.
Emptiness has always been “pure, superior & unsurpassed”.
Where is the cure?

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Re: Entry into Emptiness

Post by loves' the unjust » Sun Jun 23, 2019 2:11 pm

[james] wrote:
Sun Jun 23, 2019 1:10 pm
loves' the unjust wrote:
Sun Jun 23, 2019 12:38 pm
The whole world is suffering. Emptiness is the cure teaching.
The whole world has always been suffering.
Emptiness has always been “pure, superior & unsurpassed”.
Where is the cure?
All is same.
Fundamentally this is the basis of the emptiness teaching.
It is a Buddhist teaching.
Originated from the reflection of the moon.
It is the door of the spirituality.
There nothing has a meaning.
You are like a stupid.
no time to suffer.
Mind is a mirror.
Wherever you are doesn't matter.
Meditation mind.
Enso
Everything has the same emptiness.
The mind should be light and bright
as in the reflection of the moon
All is same.
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Re: Entry into Emptiness

Post by loves' the unjust » Sun Jun 23, 2019 2:23 pm

Some 15 years ago a friend at another forum has asked me a question.I was a beginner at the time.

The reflection of the moon on the water is it real or unreal?

This question helped me to understand the concept of emptiness.
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Re: Entry into Emptiness

Post by loves' the unjust » Sun Jun 23, 2019 2:25 pm

Emptiness and void are not the same.
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Re: Entry into Emptiness

Post by loves' the unjust » Sun Jun 23, 2019 7:29 pm

Those are my ideas. If i believe something that is so for ,me.
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Re: Entry into Emptiness

Post by loves' the unjust » Sun Jun 23, 2019 7:40 pm

loves' the unjust wrote:
Sun Jun 23, 2019 7:29 pm
Those are my ideas. If i believe something that is so for ,me.
In this point of view nothing (can) have a specific meaning.Everything has a meaning which i give to it only.everything is ridiculous.
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Post by loves' the unjust » Sun Jun 23, 2019 7:55 pm

not stupid (to wish) to think
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Post by desert_woodworker » Mon Jun 24, 2019 12:57 pm

If one has a practice of the Zen Buddhist kind, practice correctly and sufficiently, and with help of teacher and sangha, awaken.

Awakening is the entry to the empty state, and, yes, to the lived- and living-experience of emptiness. Further practice after awakening can allow the continued dwelling in emptiness. Thus, it is practice which effects (brings about) the cure. So, we could say that practice is the cure itself. And dwelling in Emptiness is then the state of Wellness brought about in awakening by correct and sufficient practice. The true Wisdom and true Compassion that's then uncovered in the empty state is for one's well-being, and for the well-being of all beings.

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Re: Entry into Emptiness

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desert_woodworker wrote:
Mon Jun 24, 2019 12:57 pm
If one has a practice of the Zen Buddhist kind, practice correctly and sufficiently, and with help of teacher and sangha, awaken.
Practicing with the help of a teacher and sangha is advantageous but not necessary, according to the Buddha's own example.

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Re: Entry into Emptiness

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Spike wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:10 am
desert_woodworker wrote:
Mon Jun 24, 2019 12:57 pm
If one has a practice of the Zen Buddhist kind, practice correctly and sufficiently, and with help of teacher and sangha, awaken.
Practicing with the help of a teacher and sangha is advantageous but not necessary, according to the Buddha's own example.
Nothing, besides the obvious (being alive, etc.) is essential to the practice. The real question is what is most helpful and likely to be most wholesome, given whatever circumstances we find ourselves in. Advice from more skilled practitioners would seem most helpful in avoiding misleading ourselves. Falling into emptiness or abiding in any state is one danger wise advice would help us avoid.

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Re: Entry into Emptiness

Post by loves' the unjust » Tue Jun 25, 2019 8:01 am

Surely, wise advices are those which help us to avoid from the distracting thoughts.
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Re: Entry into Emptiness

Post by loves' the unjust » Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:22 pm

existence/peace
void
emptiness (I don't know)

is the teaching.

Vast emptiness
Nothing Holy
I don't know

here the peace gets mobility

O Enso
is the practice
or to put into practice

enso is my magical word.
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Re: Entry into Emptiness

Post by loves' the unjust » Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:20 pm

not with mind
not without mind
here comes;
something unknow-able


relax

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Re: Entry into Emptiness

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loves' the unjust wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:20 pm
relax

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Sounds like bobwidget

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Re: Entry into Emptiness

Post by desert_woodworker » Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:58 pm

Spike wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:10 am
desert_woodworker wrote:
Mon Jun 24, 2019 12:57 pm
If one has a practice of the Zen Buddhist kind, practice correctly and sufficiently, and with help of teacher and sangha, awaken.
Practicing with the help of a teacher and sangha is advantageous but not necessary, according to the Buddha's own example.
Old Golden-Face had five teachers. Yes, he surpassed their skill and accomplishment, but don't let's minimize the fact that he had been taught, and had examples whom he emulated (sometimes to his detriment).

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Post by loves' the unjust » Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:27 pm

Spike wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:43 pm
loves' the unjust wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:20 pm
relax

:D
Sounds like bobwidget
but not.
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Re: Entry into Emptiness

Post by Spike » Tue Jun 25, 2019 4:31 pm

desert_woodworker wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:58 pm
Spike wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:10 am
desert_woodworker wrote:
Mon Jun 24, 2019 12:57 pm
If one has a practice of the Zen Buddhist kind, practice correctly and sufficiently, and with help of teacher and sangha, awaken.
Practicing with the help of a teacher and sangha is advantageous but not necessary, according to the Buddha's own example.
Old Golden-Face had five teachers. Yes, he surpassed their skill and accomplishment, but don't let's minimize the fact that he had been taught, and had examples whom he emulated (sometimes to his detriment).

--Joe
Five non-Buddhist teachers.

Really, my point is not everyone has access to in-person teacher or sangha relations. That does not mean one should not do zazen under such circumstances, or that their practice deserves to be judged as any less, or judged at all, as to what is correct or sufficient.

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Re: Entry into Emptiness

Post by [james] » Wed Jun 26, 2019 1:03 am

Caodemarte wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:05 am
Falling into emptiness or abiding in any state is one danger wise advice would help us avoid.
"Therefore, Ananda, you should train yourselves: 'We will enter & remain in the emptiness that is pure, superior, & unsurpassed.”

What do you refer to, Caodemarte, with “falling into emptiness”? I know that it is an oft repeated caution. What is the danger exactly? Is the emptiness that one might fall into, as opposed to enter, a false emptiness? If one has the capacity and good conditions to recognize, enter and dwell in emptiness, can that be false do you think?

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