[james] wrote: ↑
Sun Jun 09, 2019 1:56 am
avisitor wrote: ↑
Sun Jun 09, 2019 1:38 am
What benefit comes from throwing a Koan at people?
It is neither theirs to wrestle nor theirs to answer
And where is the other end?
Oh come on ... if not a wrestle how about a wee tussle and tumble.
Go ahead, give it a squeeze.
However it came your way ... thrown, given, stumbled upon ... it’s yours, and if you allow the connection there may be no letting go. Teacher yes or teacher no, either way the match is on.
If one stumbles upon the secret formula without the proper education then the secret remains a secret
There is no understanding under such circumstances
For the Koan to work there needs to be the other side of this equation, the teacher
fuki wrote: ↑
Sun Jun 09, 2019 8:58 am
What benefit comes from birds flying and fish swimming?
Birds fly naturally
So fish swim naturally
The benefit is living
People do not do Koans as a matter of regular life
Only when one is under the guidance of a teacher can one benefit from a Koan
Everyone has heard of the Koan of the sound of one hand clap
And none who have heard it without the guidance of a teacher understand the true meaning
And of those who have heard it, the effectiveness of hearing of this Koan for the first time is loss
This truth of one's nature is experienced rather than book learnt
Sorry, this is how I see it.
Although hearing such things might bring one to search more for the source of such Koans