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What is it?

Post by michaeljc » Fri Sep 07, 2018 9:26 am

I cannot help but feel that the world is in the eve of something big and frightening

Humankind has lost control of itself. As technology races on, our resilience dissolves

One sneeze and the lamps go out

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Re: What is it?

Post by Dan74 » Fri Sep 07, 2018 12:59 pm

What gives you this impression, Michael? The news or things locally also??

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Re: What is it?

Post by fuki » Sat Sep 08, 2018 5:05 pm

in the eve of something big and frightening
I often here this from married men :lol:

But yes, don't know what you're sensing Michael, and "eve" can mean a day - 1000 years.
But humans have definitely fucked up for a long time and are a pestilence on this planet and it will take a collective shift in consciousness asap if humans are hopefully part of the next model of earth-y existence after nature has self-corrected (may it be so) were humans function and work collectively for/as the whole by the whole. You might sense the foreshadow of the elimination of the current model, but most humans seem to be riled up about a shoe advertisement while we're on the verge of a climate catastrophe, so no not very hopeful, most just continue to stick their heads in the sand drifting off in the usual daily dwellings about their presumed ego-centrical dreamy identity and continue to act/vote for themselves (and their small group they call "loved ones") as if seperate from the total manifestation.
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Re: What is it?

Post by desert_woodworker » Sat Sep 08, 2018 11:44 pm

Michael,

Foreboding is natural; and the other side of it is gratitude and appreciation (and wonder).
michaeljc wrote:
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I cannot help but feel that the world is in the eve of something big and frightening
Unbreathable near-vacuum is only some 30000 feet over our heads. We've been lucky a long time to evolve and to live as richly as we do, so close, always, to Oblivion.

We live in Space.

Hail!

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Re: What is it?

Post by [james] » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:05 pm

michaeljc wrote:
Fri Sep 07, 2018 9:26 am
I cannot help but feel that the world is in the eve of something big and frightening

Humankind has lost control of itself. As technology races on, our resilience dissolves
Has humankind ever been in control of itself?
No, I don’t think so.
Resilient? Hasn’t technology been driven by the fears and needs expressed in our perceived lack of resilience and sense of inadequacy?
We are a species living in a world of abundance yet compelled in our actions by need and fear ... grasping and aversion.

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Re: What is it?

Post by desert_woodworker » Sun Sep 09, 2018 8:59 pm

hi again, Michael,

Well, there are some four Atlantic hurricanes in the chute right now, and two in the Pacific. But these are north of the Equator, Michael, and not likely to reach your shores. Thanks for "looking out for us" up here, though (like a well-seeing Oracle) ! ;)

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Re: What is it?

Post by desert_woodworker » Sun Sep 09, 2018 9:30 pm

Michael, et al.,

Oh, and the trend in the following graphic of mid- tropospheric (Mauna Loa, Hawai'i) monthly-average measured CO2 concentration remains "concerning". --Joe

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Re: What is it?

Post by michaeljc » Sun Sep 09, 2018 11:03 pm

Actually, I was not referring to climate change. I am not prepared to discuss climate change as it is now off-limits throughout most of the world. It is no longer possible to discuss it in a balanced manner. Anyone questioning the narrative in any way is regarded a crank.

I was referring to the high dependency on digital communications and electricity in the towns and cities in developed countries.
Ironically, developing countries would cope much better in the event of a failure in these services. Rich cities would become chaos after just a few days with a collapse of law and order.

My emphasis here is on the vulnerability which has never been higher throughout human history. Calculating the actual risk is a lot more difficult.

In NZ, most retail purchases are by cash card. Lose the internet connection or electricity, and the entire country grinds to a halt. There is little cash in the system. I would expect looting of supermarkets within 4 days. Cars with fuel would be another target.

In environmental geology we refer to risk and hazard. I am discussing the hazard. It is clear that development of back-up systems is most unlikely in the near future. Meanwhile we go gayly on oblivious to our vulnerability.

It is an interesting think exercise to consider just how many services are entirely dependent on large information networks via satellite and electronically controlled systems.

Pandemic infections are another source of concern IMO. A quite different hazard though.

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Re: What is it?

Post by fuki » Mon Sep 10, 2018 12:27 am

desert_woodworker wrote:
Sun Sep 09, 2018 8:59 pm
hi again, Michael,

Well, there are some four Atlantic hurricanes in the chute right now, and two in the Pacific. But these are north of the Equator, Michael, and not likely to reach your shores. Thanks for "looking out for us" up here, though (like a well-seeing Oracle) ! ;)

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Thanks never knew the US was the size of my thumb too :106:
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Re: What is it?

Post by desert_woodworker » Mon Sep 10, 2018 1:07 am

fuki wrote:
Mon Sep 10, 2018 12:27 am
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Thanks never knew the US was the size of my thumb too :106:
Well, I left Hawai'i and Alaska off the map. --Joe

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Re: What is it?

Post by desert_woodworker » Mon Sep 10, 2018 1:14 am

Thanks!, Michael. I think those are very solidly real concerns myself, too.

I also include carbon pollution of the atmosphere, and the hazard(s) of asteroid impact(s). The Moon-U.S.A. size comparison graphic I posted was for information's sake about size: we're in no danger of the Moon impacting Earth.

I'd say that most satellites (communications, etc.) are safe from solar flare disruption of electronics for at least five years onward: we're now just about at the low-point of solar activity in the 11-year cycle, to finish Solar Cycle 24. I monitor solar activity on a daily basis because it affects my amateur radio activities (ability to "bounce" signals from and within the ionosphere of Earth).

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Sun Sep 09, 2018 11:03 pm

I was referring to the high dependency on digital communications and electricity in the towns and cities in developed countries.
Ironically, developing countries would cope much better in the event of a failure in these services. Rich cities would become chaos after just a few days with a collapse of law and order.
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Re: What is it?

Post by fuki » Mon Sep 10, 2018 1:20 am

desert_woodworker wrote:
Mon Sep 10, 2018 1:07 am
Well, I left Hawai'i and Alaska off the map. --Joe
I'll support that in defense of reification :lol:

Not sure what you mean Michael with climate change not being discussable, it's concidered a mature topic here, although many are still not caring about their own climate footprint most agree we can't continue like this. Daily here kids 8-12 year old raise awareness and strike in front of government buildings, for those kids there's not much to discuss anyway, but simply to act.
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Re: What is it?

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Re: What is it?

Post by michaeljc » Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:27 am

To add add another threat: A financial meltdown?

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