What is Zen?

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Enver M.
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What is Zen?

Post by Enver M. » Tue Dec 18, 2018 5:18 pm

NEXT LEVEL

Is

Zen
jump to the water (how will you learn to swim)

This is Dogen's dropping off body and mind

In my words, Both Bull & Self Transcended

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Re: What is Zen?

Post by [james] » Tue Dec 18, 2018 6:09 pm

Enver M. wrote:
Tue Dec 18, 2018 5:18 pm
NEXT LEVEL

Is

Zen
What is the present level?

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Re: What is Zen?

Post by Mason » Tue Dec 18, 2018 7:03 pm

The master entered the hall and said, "This fact is like a clear jewel in your hand. If a barbarian comes, it reveals a barbarian. If a Chinese comes, it reveals a Chinese."

- Joshu-roku 76

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Re: What is Zen?

Post by desert_woodworker » Wed Dec 19, 2018 2:07 am

On the elevator (lift) control panel, zen is at some level below the basement. Even the basement has a foundation.

Zen Buddhism is related, and is something akin to a vehicle, or an elevator car. It goes mostly downward.

--Joe

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Re: What is Zen?

Post by Mason » Wed Dec 19, 2018 10:48 am

The elevator weighs seven pounds. It's not heavy enough to reach the bottom. Relativity speaking, it's the floors that change - the elevator is completely still.

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Re: What is Zen?

Post by Seeker242 » Wed Dec 19, 2018 12:17 pm

Good question! Although, clever words and phrases, definitely not zen. :bow2:

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Re: What is Zen?

Post by Mason » Wed Dec 19, 2018 12:50 pm

It does stink, for sure. But when the people around you stink to high heaven (looking at you, Joe), you've got to give them a fart or two, so your stinks can mingle. Ew.

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Re: What is Zen?

Post by Enver M. » Wed Dec 19, 2018 1:06 pm

Let's take all -the words easy; but surely at present.
jump to the water (how will you learn to swim)

This is Dogen's dropping off body and mind

In my words, Both Bull & Self Transcended

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Re: What is Zen?

Post by Mason » Wed Dec 19, 2018 1:43 pm

If the words are easy, no need for taking!

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Re: What is Zen?

Post by Enver M. » Wed Dec 19, 2018 1:59 pm

Will keep in mind.
jump to the water (how will you learn to swim)

This is Dogen's dropping off body and mind

In my words, Both Bull & Self Transcended

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Re: What is Zen?

Post by Enver M. » Wed Dec 19, 2018 2:01 pm

Mason wrote:
Tue Dec 18, 2018 7:03 pm
The master entered the hall and said, "This fact is like a clear jewel in your hand. If a barbarian comes, it reveals a barbarian. If a Chinese comes, it reveals a Chinese."

- Joshu-roku 76
...Well said;
jump to the water (how will you learn to swim)

This is Dogen's dropping off body and mind

In my words, Both Bull & Self Transcended

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Re: What is Zen?

Post by fuki » Thu Dec 20, 2018 9:58 pm

desert_woodworker wrote:
Wed Dec 19, 2018 2:07 am
On the elevator (lift) control panel, zen is at some level below the basement. Even the basement has a foundation.

Zen Buddhism is related, and is something akin to a vehicle, or an elevator car. It goes mostly downward.

--Joe
Dutchy elevators have a different reference then the US (or english "countries") ones,
1 is our 0 and our -1 is your zero
6 would be your 7

ps last year I had several nights in a row where I dreamt to be in an elevator which was free falling, whenever it hit the ground I woke up and entered my house, upon entering the house it seemed I was still dreaming because the moment I stepped in the front door I was back in the elevator, only change was that upon the 2,3,4,5 etc entree in the elevator there was never any ground to hit, this went on for nights and felt like aeons. A few nights ago I dreamt being trapped in a ghostnet and was drowning,though half through the dream I realized I was dreaming but couldn't wake up, took some deep effort to do so and noticed I was holding my breath while sleeping, these dreams be the "death" of me some day. :lol:
Though there's never any fear involved, beautiful and uncanny at the same time.
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Re: What is Zen?

Post by Mason » Fri Dec 21, 2018 1:02 am

Your post made me anxious.

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Re: What is Zen?

Post by fuki » Fri Dec 21, 2018 1:37 am

Mason wrote:
Fri Dec 21, 2018 1:02 am
Your post made me anxious.
Sorry to be the cause of your vexation bro.
Few days back this pic posted on fb made my mom scared (due to past associations)
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It's a wonderful teacher isn't it? (fear/anxiety/vexations)
any intellectual view on "emptiness" turns out to be nothing but ignorance then.
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Re: What is Zen?

Post by KeithA » Fri Dec 21, 2018 3:52 am

Enver M. wrote:
Tue Dec 18, 2018 5:18 pm
NEXT LEVEL

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Zen
With these words, the Dharma is slandered.
You make, you get.

New Haven Zen Center

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Re: What is Zen?

Post by Enver M. » Fri Dec 21, 2018 8:08 am

KeithA wrote:
Fri Dec 21, 2018 3:52 am
Enver M. wrote:
Tue Dec 18, 2018 5:18 pm
NEXT LEVEL

Is

Zen
With these words, the Dharma is slandered.
I don't understand.
jump to the water (how will you learn to swim)

This is Dogen's dropping off body and mind

In my words, Both Bull & Self Transcended

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Re: What is Zen?

Post by Mason » Fri Dec 21, 2018 8:15 am

I'll understand it for you, friend.

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Re: What is Zen?

Post by Enver M. » Fri Dec 21, 2018 8:39 am

yea, what is for friendship.
jump to the water (how will you learn to swim)

This is Dogen's dropping off body and mind

In my words, Both Bull & Self Transcended

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