Calming the Mind

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Enver M.
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Calming the Mind

Post by Enver M. » Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:34 pm

Friends lets give up the empty talk

What is it like to calming the mind?

For me, it is

not to force -anything
leaving all to the flow
to see what life brings
or what life shows
no (spending) extra energy
not to worry about anything
nor to have anything to take care for
all in its way
living life thick
not to get drown in the details
liberation from everything
not trying to change anything
no future worries
no concentration
not looking for any meaning
simply just doing anything if you have to
in which everything manifest himself obviously
even so I don't understand myself as why I get lost in details this much
from right meditation
to right mindfulness
from right mindfulness
to right concentration
any opinion?
no need for mathematic !!!
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Re: Calming the Mind

Post by Spike » Tue Mar 19, 2019 9:33 pm

Enver M. wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:34 pm
Friends lets give up the empty talk

What is it like to calming the mind?

For me, it is

not to . . . have anything to take care for
What about your parents?! Enver: you are a world class caretaker. No doubt your parents are alive as a direct result of your calm mind/actions in daily life.
Enver M. wrote: all in its way . . .

no future worries . . .

not looking for any meaning . . .

any opinion?
Not realistic.

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Re: Calming the Mind

Post by Enver M. » Tue Mar 19, 2019 9:50 pm

Spike wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 9:33 pm
Enver M. wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:34 pm
Friends lets give up the empty talk

What is it like to calming the mind?

For me, it is

not to . . . have anything to take care for
What about your parents?! Enver: you are a world class caretaker. No doubt your parents are alive as a direct result of your calm mind/actions in daily life.
They are very old.A few short years are left for them to live.This two or three years is the main part of my 'rude' plan.
1.learn meditation
2.Put it in dailylife (as a lifestyle)

Get enlightened in the next decade.And raise a student in the following.
And i can die in peace.

Spike wrote:
Enver M. wrote: all in its way . . .

no future worries . . .

not looking for any meaning . . .

any opinion?
Not realistic.
but it is reality.
no need for mathematic !!!
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Re: Calming the Mind

Post by Spike » Tue Mar 19, 2019 11:29 pm

Spike wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 9:33 pm
Enver M. wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:34 pm
Friends lets give up the empty talk

What is it like to calming the mind?

all in its way . . .

no future worries . . .

not looking for any meaning . . .

any opinion?
Not realistic.
Enver M. wrote: but it is reality.
Indeed, that would be a calm mind to eliminate worries, the search for meaning, etc, but to calmly deal with these (inevitabilities) might be a more realistic alternative.

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Re: Calming the Mind

Post by avisitor » Wed Mar 20, 2019 12:44 am

Enver M. wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 9:50 pm
They are very old.A few short years are left for them to live.This two or three years is the main part of my 'rude' plan.
1.learn meditation
2.Put it in dailylife (as a lifestyle)

Get enlightened in the next decade.And raise a student in the following.
And i can die in peace.
Have you learned meditation?
Do you put it in your daily life?
As a lifestyle, how is it going?
Are you near enlightenment in this decade?

I have been doing this on and off for the past 40 plus years.
And I am still a beginner.
My plan is to continue to take responsibility for my life as it is
And when the time is right, to find time and space for those things I consider necessary

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Re: Calming the Mind

Post by Dan74 » Wed Mar 20, 2019 6:01 am

For me it's to pay attention and be aware of it, whether calm or not calm, or making plans or not making plans.

The broader and deeper the attention, the fewer 'impositions', mental constructs we superimpose onto what is happening, there are.


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Re: Calming the Mind

Post by Enver M. » Wed Mar 20, 2019 8:24 am

Spike wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 11:29 pm
Spike wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 9:33 pm
Enver M. wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:34 pm
Friends lets give up the empty talk

What is it like to calming the mind?

all in its way . . .

no future worries . . .

not looking for any meaning . . .

any opinion?
Not realistic.
Enver M. wrote: but it is reality.
Indeed, that would be a calm mind to eliminate worries, the search for meaning, etc, but to calmly deal with these (inevitabilities) might be a more realistic alternative.
I respect your thoughts.
no need for mathematic !!!
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Re: Calming the Mind

Post by Kanji » Wed Mar 20, 2019 9:21 am

Early spring here too, lots of brilliant green, buds, birds flying around trailing nesting materials, Irish rain and flooding. Taking care of life and doing your best with whatever Comes floating downstream sounds like a plan! :117:

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Re: Calming the Mind

Post by fuki » Thu Mar 21, 2019 7:16 pm

Enver M. wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:34 pm


What is it like to calming the mind?
I wouldn't know,
I have no mind for calming or agitation

But if expediently functional; if effort or effortlessness is needed in order to calm "the mind"
your way is great for you, thanks I appreciate you sharing this, may you and others benefit.
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Re: Calming the Mind

Post by Spike » Thu Mar 21, 2019 11:02 pm

if you didn't have a mind (for calming or agitation), you wouldn't have posted

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Re: Calming the Mind

Post by fuki » Thu Mar 21, 2019 11:05 pm

Spike wrote:
Thu Mar 21, 2019 11:02 pm
if you didn't have a mind (for calming or agitation), you wouldn't have posted
It's our mind without the "our" hence posts appear


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Re: Calming the Mind

Post by avisitor » Thu Mar 21, 2019 11:30 pm

fuki wrote:
Thu Mar 21, 2019 7:16 pm
I wouldn't know,
I have no mind for calming or agitation

But if expediently functional; if effort or effortlessness is needed in order to calm "the mind"
your way is great for you, thanks I appreciate you sharing this, may you and others benefit.
Everybody has to start somewhere
So, you must have had a mind
Or, you could not post.
Therefore, you should know what it is like to calm the mind.

Even Buddha knew what it was like to calm the mind.
Are you saying you are better than the Buddha???
Did you start off in a better space than the rest of humanity???

Just kidding, I understand what you are trying to say
Great (huge difficulty) is the way for many of us.

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Re: Calming the Mind

Post by fuki » Thu Mar 21, 2019 11:48 pm


Everybody has to start somewhere
hmm "no" (yes) anything which seems to come and go, stop and start is like a moist cloud of imagination

Just kidding, I understand what you are trying to say
Likewise, grazie! :hatsoff:
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Re: Calming the Mind

Post by avisitor » Fri Mar 22, 2019 12:26 am

fuki wrote:
Thu Mar 21, 2019 11:48 pm
Everybody has to start somewhere
hmm "no" (yes) anything which seems to come and go, stop and start is like a moist cloud of imagination
Non-zense or non speak ... again, ...
The tree in the garden

Ask me anything, if I respond like that then you know that I am full of non-zense or non-speak
I am going back to Chew on "MU"

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Re: Calming the Mind

Post by fuki » Fri Mar 22, 2019 12:36 am

avisitor wrote:
Fri Mar 22, 2019 12:26 am

The tree in the garden
so now there's two things you don't understand!

Pray what inquiry happened before the expression "tree in the garden"?
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Re: Calming the Mind

Post by avisitor » Fri Mar 22, 2019 1:19 am

fuki wrote:
Fri Mar 22, 2019 12:36 am
avisitor wrote:
Fri Mar 22, 2019 12:26 am

The tree in the garden
so now there's two things you don't understand!

Pray what inquiry happened before the expression "tree in the garden"?
I don't understand plenty.
Quantum entanglement, women, politics, not in that order ... lol.

Joshu was asked, "What is the meaning of Bodhidarma coming from the west?".

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Re: Calming the Mind

Post by fuki » Fri Mar 22, 2019 1:22 am

avisitor wrote:
Fri Mar 22, 2019 1:19 am

Joshu was asked, "What is the meaning of Bodhidarma coming from the west?".
The cat in the living room.
(sorry no tree around) ;)

ps I voted "for/with/somethingy" two women yesterday, one for Province and the other for Water Board elections lol
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Re: Calming the Mind

Post by avisitor » Fri Mar 22, 2019 1:46 am

fuki wrote:
Fri Mar 22, 2019 1:22 am
avisitor wrote:
Fri Mar 22, 2019 1:19 am

Joshu was asked, "What is the meaning of Bodhidarma coming from the west?".
The cat in the living room.
(sorry no tree around) ;)

ps I voted "for/with/somethingy" two women yesterday, one for Province and the other for Water Board elections lol
Then Mumon comments and it turns into a Koan
Now, I've got cats running around my head ... (sarcasm...thanks so much)

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Re: Calming the Mind

Post by lindama » Sat Mar 23, 2019 3:06 am

Enver M. wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:34 pm
Friends lets give up the empty talk
Bravo! and this....
Dudjom Rinpoché's Heart Advice,
“This fresh present knowing,
Unbound by the intellect that clings to meditation,
Is naked unobstructed non-meditation.
Relax at ease
And settle in the state of naturalness.
This is the meaning of realization of meditation.
When thoughts move, let them.
Movement arises and is liberated without a trace.
When there is no movement, don't search for it.
This is empty luminosity, naked empty awareness.
Tantric practice without suppression or
cultivation of thoughts
Brings the accomplishment of the destruction
of hope and fear.
There is nothing more to add to this.
Madman Dudjom said this:
Let it remain like this in your heart.”

~ “Wisdom Nectar” Dudjom Rinpoché's Heart Advice, translated and introduced by Ron Garry, published by Snow Lion Publications
ps.... please, don't you dare split this off... the essence of zen too.

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Re: Calming the Mind

Post by lindama » Sat Mar 23, 2019 3:21 am

fuki wrote:
Fri Mar 22, 2019 1:22 am
avisitor wrote:
Fri Mar 22, 2019 1:19 am

Joshu was asked, "What is the meaning of Bodhidarma coming from the west?".
The cat in the living room.
(sorry no tree around) ;)

ps I voted "for/with/somethingy" two women yesterday, one for Province and the other for Water Board elections lol
Bravo! The whole point of koans as I learned it.... it matters least if it's the oak tree in the garden .... or the cat in the living room ... or (fill in the blank)

never mind the orthodoxy.... it's our life

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