Zen is all of Life

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Zen is all of Life

Post by lindama » Wed Jun 26, 2019 5:17 am

Make no mistake.... this is not about zen people. It is zen, feet on the ground. WE don't need more identity spirituality, just like we don't need more identity politics. sigh

Zen Is All of Life: Remembering Roshi Bernie Glassman

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Re: Zen is all of Life

Post by Caodemarte » Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:33 am

What would “identity spirituality” be?

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Re: Zen is all of Life

Post by Spike » Sun Jun 30, 2019 1:37 pm

Caodemarte wrote:
Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:33 am
What would “identity spirituality” be?
By me, identity spirituality would indicate an extreme polarized view of an individual's spirituality based on practice, affinity, or commitment. Compromise with or validation of these characteristics under a different sect, eg., Soto vs Rinzai, or in broader terms, eg., Tibetan vs Zen, would be less likely. This could lead to a more rigid or even self-righteous presentation of beliefs, such as currently demonstrated in American politics.

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Re: Zen is all of Life

Post by Caodemarte » Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:45 pm

Spike wrote:
Sun Jun 30, 2019 1:37 pm
Caodemarte wrote:
Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:33 am
What would “identity spirituality” be?
By me, identity spirituality would indicate an extreme polarized view of an individual's spirituality based on practice, affinity, or commitment. Compromise with or validation of these characteristics under a different sect, eg., Soto vs Rinzai, or in broader terms, eg., Tibetan vs Zen, would be less likely. This could lead to a more rigid or even self-righteous presentation of beliefs, such as currently demonstrated in American politics.
Thanks, makes sense. I have seen “practicing identity politics” used as an attack against the political opponent of the day, but never in this context.

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Re: Zen is all of Life

Post by zenmite » Mon Jul 01, 2019 3:51 pm

To just expand upon Spike's explanation... Sectarianism. We can identify with a particular religion, sect or group just as we can identify ourselves with a political party or nation. This does not mean simply being a 'member', but we compare our group or sect to others in order to feel validated or superior. Triumphalism. It's just another way we divide ourselves and believe those divisions are real. When our team is criticized or insulted we feel it is 'me' that is under attack. When our team is praised or pronounced superior, we feel filled with pride. Tricks of ego.

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Re: Zen is all of Life

Post by loves' the unjust » Mon Jul 01, 2019 8:00 pm

yea, instead of living life why philosophy?

i'm full of philosophy up to my throat
in the past 15 years
what did it give me?

Nothing and Nothing
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Re: Zen is all of Life

Post by loves' the unjust » Mon Jul 01, 2019 8:05 pm

may be one day in this planet philosophying the life will be the biggest insulting.
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Re: Zen is all of Life

Post by Spike » Mon Jul 01, 2019 8:31 pm

lindama wrote:
Wed Jun 26, 2019 5:17 am
Make no mistake.... this is not about zen people. It is zen, feet on the ground. WE don't need more identity spirituality, just like we don't need more identity politics. sigh

Zen Is All of Life: Remembering Roshi Bernie Glassman

https://www.lionsroar.com/zen-is-all-of ... j4Y2Kdtssw

bernie_car.jpg
love it that the dog wears no collar

* last picture in article

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Re: Zen is all of Life

Post by loves' the unjust » Tue Jul 02, 2019 12:07 am

L i f e i s t o l i v e.

these are my words.
I don't know any more simple words than this.
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Post by Spike » Tue Jul 02, 2019 1:30 am

loves' the unjust wrote:
Tue Jul 02, 2019 12:07 am
L i f e i s t o l i v e.

these are my words.
I don't know any more simple words than this.
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Re: Zen is all of Life

Post by loves' the unjust » Tue Jul 02, 2019 2:05 pm

Empty mind that's what we need to achieve.
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Post by loves' the unjust » Tue Jul 02, 2019 5:55 pm

When there is empty mind dailylife remains.
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Re: Zen is all of Life

Post by desert_woodworker » Fri Jul 12, 2019 12:49 am

Hiya, Linda, sat with him a lot, from earliest days in NYC; sat enough. Loved him. May Bernie R.I.P. :namaste: And come back as another Great Bodhisattva... .

Blessings to all his Dharma heirs, and their students! What a legacy... . Incredible. And let's acknowledge Maezumi Roshi as well. ;)

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Re: Zen is all of Life

Post by fuki » Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:02 pm

zenmite wrote:
Mon Jul 01, 2019 3:51 pm
To just expand upon Spike's explanation... Sectarianism. We can identify with a particular religion, sect or group just as we can identify ourselves with a political party or nation. This does not mean simply being a 'member', but we compare our group or sect to others in order to feel validated or superior. Triumphalism. It's just another way we divide ourselves and believe those divisions are real. When our team is criticized or insulted we feel it is 'me' that is under attack. When our team is praised or pronounced superior, we feel filled with pride. Tricks of ego.
I'm fine with anyone's fabricated identity but the older I get the more allergic I get to group identity, whether it's the local football team or the local zendo here I'm getting too old/tired for that stuff. but I've always enjoyed a solitary life, that is with(out) humans, my days are filled with cats, birds, trees and insects, none of them have to chat about their self-fabricated identity, nor are there bowing and walking rules in relation to buddha statues. Humans just take the fun out of everything, such a draining polluting species :cat:
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Re: Zen is all of Life

Post by Spike » Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:24 pm

As Sartre said, 'Hell is other people."

Even better: "Three o'clock is always too early or too late for anything you want to do."

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Re: Zen is all of Life

Post by loves' the unjust » Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:21 pm

Spike wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:24 pm
As Sartre said, 'Hell is other people."

Even better: "Three o'clock is always too early or too late for anything you want to do."
That's good.be positive
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Re: Zen is all of Life

Post by fuki » Wed Aug 14, 2019 12:42 pm

Spike wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:24 pm
As Sartre said, 'Hell is other people."
It's mostly talking people, dominant/manipulative people, uncompassionate people, wanting to be right people, I don't like cats, pigeons and trees people, etcetera people :lol:
It is now against the law to wear a burqa or a niqab in the Netherlands (so to hell with so called liberty and freedom unless you're white) there was a bit of dicussion for a few days about it, people being afraid because they "don't know who's under there and I can't make contact with them bla bla" my first reaction was like, I wish 99% of the people wear them :lol:
I'd wear a burka out of protest but I'm not sure if that's offensive since only woman wear them, do we have any Buddhist clothing that covers everything? That be nice I can "hide" under religious thingies then and take the state to court :cat:
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Even better: "Three o'clock is always too early or too late for anything you want to do."
True if the sky is blue (or when it's summer)
[/end talk] at 18 minutes prior to three o'clock
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Re: Zen is all of Life

Post by Spike » Wed Aug 14, 2019 3:14 pm

fuki wrote:
Wed Aug 14, 2019 12:42 pm
It is now against the law to wear a burqa or a niqab in the Netherlands . . .
Full face mc helmets too, in certain places.
fuki wrote: I'd wear a burka out of protest but I'm not sure if that's offensive since only woman wear them . .
Sounds like a loophole if men can wear them. Selfie, please?

P.S. Good Tilopa quote

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Re: Zen is all of Life

Post by fuki » Wed Aug 14, 2019 3:41 pm

Spike wrote:
Wed Aug 14, 2019 3:14 pm

Full face mc helmets too, in certain places.
Soon everything will be illegal except prozium (movie reference "Equilibrium")
Sounds like a loophole if men can wear them. Selfie, please?

P.S. Good Tilopa quote
:lol:

I might just do so soon, also the Tilopa quote would be nice to print on a shirt, have to think of something creative with Larry on the back (or front)
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