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Beginner Question

Post by loves' the unjust » Sat Jul 27, 2019 10:34 am

The Sword way

The most important specification of the sword is
straightness.

Straightness means honesty.

i, myself plan or consider to make honesty my main principle of life

just honesty

i'm planing to build everything on honesty.

it will be like a carrying column or the basis
of everything

and let everything flourish on this

any thoughts welcome
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Re: Beginner Question

Post by [james] » Sat Jul 27, 2019 4:48 pm

loves' the unjust wrote:
Sat Jul 27, 2019 10:34 am
The Sword way ...

any thoughts welcome
1st thought: “The boy who cried wolf”, Aesop
2nd thought: Thanks for starting a new thread.
3rd thought: Not all swords are straight. All effective swords are sharp, keen, well honed.
4th thought: Sounds like another game.

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Re: Beginner Question

Post by loves' the unjust » Sat Jul 27, 2019 5:50 pm

[james] wrote: Not all swords are straight.
no



{when I say sword you understand that
general rules (don't change)
no need for exceptions
and btw i've been talking about a japanese sword}
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Re: Beginner Question

Post by loves' the unjust » Wed Jul 31, 2019 8:02 pm

Each of us has something hang out in our minds.that doesn't make to work properly.
Are we disabled?
When will we be free?
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Re: Beginner Question

Post by [james] » Thu Aug 01, 2019 1:18 am

loves' the unjust wrote:
Wed Jul 31, 2019 8:02 pm
Each of us has something hang out in our minds ...

When will we be free?
We will begin to be free as we stop being afraid.

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Re: Beginner Question

Post by fuki » Thu Aug 01, 2019 10:15 am

loves' the unjust wrote:
Wed Jul 31, 2019 8:02 pm
Each of us has something hang out in our minds
So? let it hang, let it float, let it arise and pass, it's just weather/traffic.
Are we disabled?
If you want to look at it that way the human condition isn't the pinnacle of being, we're all born and have experiences which differ, the sum total of all our experience is like the weather, or what we call "me" There's really no issue there. the issue or "disability" is making it into a self-narrative, rain or shine both have their function.
When will we be free?
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Nisargada ... aj#Freedom
"Nothing can set you free, because you are free. See yourself with desireless clarity, that is all."
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Re: Beginner Question

Post by loves' the unjust » Thu Aug 01, 2019 12:37 pm

both for Fuki and james

I've always been a perfectionalist.
many things there were have been i miss in life because of this..i make the perfect plan for every issue i intent but the perfect one but couldn't be able to put it into practice.and always choose the simplest way.

my life flows like this.

as james put it out the mastery is to be able to put it into practice.(at least for me, which i have never been able to succeed on).that's by not looking the perfect way of it but by beginning right here and now even with the smallest step in whatever the condition you are in.

otherwise the life is short.and sad but there will always be a possibility of missing life.

and i won't do that.
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Re: Beginner Question

Post by [james] » Thu Aug 01, 2019 1:20 pm

loves' the unjust wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2019 12:37 pm
otherwise the life is short.and sad but there will always be a possibility of missing life.

and i won't do that.
As long as you are alive there is no possibility of missing life.
One may feel that one is missing the life desired and is somehow burdened by the life experience as it is.
Is this what you mean by “missing life”? ... being entangled in futile cravings for a “better” life while life as it is is slipping away? These cravings themselves are life as it is. We can only patiently, bravely live the life as it comes into being.

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Re: Beginner Question

Post by loves' the unjust » Thu Aug 01, 2019 1:51 pm

[james] wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2019 1:20 pm
loves' the unjust wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2019 12:37 pm
otherwise the life is short.and sad but there will always be a possibility of missing life.

and i won't do that.
As long as you are alive there is no possibility of missing life.
One may feel that one is missing the life desired and is somehow burdened by the life experience as it is.
Is this what you mean by “missing life”? ... being entangled in futile cravings for a “better” life while life as it is is slipping away? These cravings themselves are life as it is. We can only patiently, bravely live the life as it comes into being.
What i mean by "Missing Life" is to die.and gone.
you know to be forgetting about it.
(in the future)
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Re: Beginner Question

Post by [james] » Thu Aug 01, 2019 2:25 pm

loves' the unjust wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2019 1:51 pm
What i mean by "Missing Life" is to die.and gone.
How is that a problem?
you know to be forgetting about it.
(in the future)
You’re worried about the future?

???

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Re: Beginner Question

Post by loves' the unjust » Thu Aug 01, 2019 4:15 pm

[james] wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2019 2:25 pm
loves' the unjust wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2019 1:51 pm
What i mean by "Missing Life" is to die.and gone.
How is that a problem?
I love life, you know.
You know to be forgetting about it.
(in the future)
You’re worried about the future?
i'm not that much old but getting older.
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Re: Beginner Question

Post by fuki » Thu Aug 01, 2019 5:07 pm

"There is an ecstasy that marks the summit of life, and beyond which life cannot rise. And such is the paradox of living, this ecstasy comes when one is most alive, and it comes as a complete forgetfulness that one is alive" ;)
~Jack London
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Re: Beginner Question

Post by Nothing » Thu Aug 01, 2019 8:14 pm

fuki wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2019 5:07 pm
"There is an ecstasy that marks the summit of life, and beyond which life cannot rise. And such is the paradox of living, this ecstasy comes when one is most alive, and it comes as a complete forgetfulness that one is alive" ;)
~Jack London
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Lovely quote :110:

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Re: Beginner Question

Post by avisitor » Sun Aug 11, 2019 2:03 pm

loves' the unjust wrote:
Sat Jul 27, 2019 5:50 pm
[james] wrote: Not all swords are straight.
no



{when I say sword you understand that
general rules (don't change)
no need for exceptions
and btw i've been talking about a japanese sword}
Making your own rules now??

What was the question again?
You plan to make honesty your main rule?
Then what were you doing before? Not being honest??
If you can not be honest with yourself then how are you going to be honest with others??

I wish for you the very best and hope you will find it in your life.

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Re: Beginner Question

Post by loves' the unjust » Sun Aug 11, 2019 5:34 pm

avisitor wrote:
Sun Aug 11, 2019 2:03 pm
loves' the unjust wrote:
Sat Jul 27, 2019 5:50 pm
[james] wrote: Not all swords are straight.
no



{when I say sword you understand that
general rules (don't change)
no need for exceptions
and btw i've been talking about a japanese sword}
Making your own rules now??

What was the question again?
You plan to make honesty your main rule?
Then what were you doing before? Not being honest??
If you can not be honest with yourself then how are you going to be honest with others??

I wish for you the very best and hope you will find it in your life.
thank you avisitor.
for making me a big mouth.(i mean you encourage me to talk)
let's begin with sword
why sword?
because it is the most straightforward (or right)

i think we all agree on that is the way has two properties;
1-the selflessness
2-no end to it

the sword tells us this
if you know honesty, it is to add nothing to what's happening or to your self and by this this is kind a forgetting self

no end and no self
thinking loudly here
i guess honesty will accommodate you this


Peace!
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Re: Beginner Question

Post by desert_woodworker » Tue Aug 13, 2019 10:24 pm

Sword of Manjushri is Wisdom.

(True-)Wisdom comes from effective, correct practice. Usually a teacher and sangha will help, most maximally. ;)

Yes, we can make various "resolves", and promises to ourselves, outside of correct practice (considering Zen Buddhist practice, here). But the outcome may be unreliable.

The Three Poisons arise endlessly, no matter how we work. But this is not a reason for pessimism! It's a reason to practice correctly.

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Re: Beginner Question

Post by avisitor » Sat Aug 17, 2019 2:42 am

desert_woodworker wrote:
Tue Aug 13, 2019 10:24 pm
Sword of Manjushri is Wisdom.

(True-)Wisdom comes from effective, correct practice. Usually a teacher and sangha will help, most maximally. ;)

Yes, we can make various "resolves", and promises to ourselves, outside of correct practice (considering Zen Buddhist practice, here). But the outcome may be unreliable.

The Three Poisons arise endlessly, no matter how we work. But this is not a reason for pessimism! It's a reason to practice correctly.

--Joe
Thanks for the reminder.
Three poisons arise endlessly.
That one must shed the use of this mind to move forward to Nirvana.

Strong practice!

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Re: Beginner Question

Post by desert_woodworker » Wed Aug 21, 2019 11:46 pm

avisitor wrote:
Sat Aug 17, 2019 2:42 am
Strong practice!
Yes, sirree Bob, Strong practice!

(No baloney)

:namaste:

--Joe

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