The Full Moon

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The Full Moon

Post by loves' the unjust » Sun Sep 15, 2019 9:55 am

The Full Moon
The reflection of the moon
the door of the spirituality
ALL IS SAME
Everything has the same emptiness
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Re: The Full Moon

Post by loves' the unjust » Tue Sep 24, 2019 5:37 pm

full moon means full practice
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Re: The Full Moon

Post by fuki » Tue Sep 24, 2019 8:19 pm

When I say "I am", I do not mean a seperate entity with a body as its nucleus,
I mean the totality of being, the ocean of consciousness, the entire universe of all that is known.
I have nothing to desire for I am complete forever.
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Re: The Full Moon

Post by KeithA » Wed Sep 25, 2019 12:00 am

The thief left it behind:
the moon
at my window.


I never tire of Ryokan.

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Re: The Full Moon

Post by Spike » Wed Sep 25, 2019 12:53 am

loves' the unjust wrote:
Tue Sep 24, 2019 5:37 pm
full moon means full practice
Full zen practice means zazen practice
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Re: The Full Moon

Post by loves' the unjust » Wed Sep 25, 2019 4:59 am

KeithA wrote:
Wed Sep 25, 2019 12:00 am
The thief left it behind:
the moon
at my window.


_/|\_

funny
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Re: The Full Moon

Post by lindama » Thu Oct 10, 2019 3:19 am

loves' the unjust wrote:
Tue Sep 24, 2019 5:37 pm
full moon means full practice
hum, the teaching is upside down.... if there is such a thing as full practice, it's the sun. relax, the moon, as a reflection of the sun, has much to teach. Have you noticed that a full moon hints full embodiment.

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Re: The Full Moon

Post by loves' the unjust » Thu Oct 10, 2019 5:06 am

yes, the full moon may symbolizes alot of things; such as buddha, honor, perfection ..or so on.
i don't think this has a contradictory with what i've said.
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Re: The Full Moon

Post by avisitor » Fri Oct 11, 2019 6:01 pm

A while back, on another forum, there was a member who insisted that the object was to stop thought.
And while there is some stories of people who stopped thought or praised the stopping of using this mind,
I don't know whether he was right or wrong or just somewhere along the path???

Your full moon, I think, is similar to the stop thought idea.
It is all grasping. And this grasping at ideas seems, to me, an endless loop.

Sitting in practice. Following the instructions given.
This is what seems to be the way.

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Re: The Full Moon

Post by Spike » Fri Oct 11, 2019 6:15 pm

Agree. But as we have read in the Zen Practice thread, some are no-action-talk-only when it comes to zazen and zen practice.
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Re: The Full Moon

Post by fuki » Fri Oct 11, 2019 7:42 pm

lindama wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 3:19 am
it's the sun. relax
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Re: The Full Moon

Post by loves' the unjust » Fri Oct 11, 2019 8:58 pm

avisitor wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 6:01 pm
A while back, on another forum, there was a member who insisted that the object was to stop thought.
And while there is some stories of people who stopped thought or praised the stopping of using this mind,
I don't know whether he was right or wrong or just somewhere along the path???

Your full moon, I think, is similar to the stop thought idea.
It is all grasping. And this grasping at ideas seems, to me, an endless loop.

Sitting in practice. Following the instructions given.
This is what seems to be the way.
I think Fuki has wrote:

"I want to add some words here about the actual practice of shikantaza – just sitting. When we sit in zazen, it is not that there are no thoughts at all appearing in our heads. Actually, a lot of thoughts appear. But if you start to chase those thoughts, then that can’t be called zazen anymore. You are just thinking in the sitting posture.


Zazen means to wake up from distraction and confusion, dullness and fatigue for a billion times, and return to the wide awake posture of zazen. “Living the raw and fresh life called zazen” means to arouse the mind for a billion times in this fashion, practice and realize it for a billion times: This is what is called shikantaza – just sitting."

- trying to fight with thoughts and say i won't think
is only 'create' another thought.
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Re: The Full Moon

Post by fuki » Sat Oct 12, 2019 3:21 pm

loves' the unjust wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 8:58 pm

I think Fuki had wrote:

"I want to add some words here about the actual practice of shikantaza – just sitting. When we sit in zazen, it is not that there are no thoughts at all appearing in our heads. Actually, a lot of thoughts appear. But if you start to chase those thoughts, then that can’t be called zazen anymore. You are just thinking in the sitting posture.
Not my words, anyhow after years of talking online I currently mostly reply to inquiries offline, if people want to sit with me or have some 'instructions' I'm happy to say something. Problem online is that people (myself included over the years) feel some urge to out of the blue start talking about zazen, or emptiness or whatever, mostly off topic and mostly stagnant water. I believe any topic which is about zen practise, emptiness, full moons, or cat and dog poopies etc etc can be constructive and of universal (zen space) service, yet most topics are dominated by talk about members asserting or negating each others words/experiences and it's rarely helpful (apart from the very observation of the arising of these various mental constructs) I could talk about zen practise all day if it is required but when there's no question regarding practise or there's no interest in my 'personal experiences' then I have lost the need to start talking. I enjoy talking with people but mostly on forums it's not a matter of talking with but talking to which often distorts in the usual collecting of talking in favour or talking in opposition of some persona, when it comes to 'meditation' I just stick to sharing this essay that Sir Bob wrote - Enver, (et all) I appreciate you sharing your personal experiences but I keep repeating it is lounge material, which include whatever I have typed just now.
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Re: The Full Moon

Post by Spike » Sat Oct 12, 2019 4:55 pm

fuki wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 3:21 pm
I enjoy talking with people but mostly on forums it's not a matter of talking with but talking to which often distorts in the usual collecting of talking in favour or talking in opposition of some persona, when it comes to 'meditation' I just stick to sharing this essay that Sir Bob wrote - Enver, (et all) I appreciate you sharing your personal experiences but I keep repeating it is lounge material, which include whatever I have typed just now.
https://theconsciousprocess.wordpress.c ... ic-sanity/
When a thread is put in the lounge it seems to be a clear signal that it is an 'anything goes' topic: not serious, not even necessarily anything to do with zen. This can be an invitation to free expression, but also a warning not to attach too much importance into the ensuing dialogue, both of which can be useful. But, bottom line, it is also just another label, like reiun, spike, good, bad, indifferent, soup, nuts, beemer, dog, cat, etc.
fuki wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 3:21 pm
when there's no question regarding practise or there's no interest in my 'personal experiences' then I have lost the need to start talking.
No one here has a 'rank' above student level: i.e., no zen teachers. So the 'avoid talking *to* vs *with*' admonition deserves consideration. Also a good point by Fuki: I would rather hear about someone's experience of zazen or koan practice than hear someone lecture about it as a concept.

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Re: The Full Moon

Post by loves' the unjust » Sat Oct 12, 2019 5:17 pm

fuki wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 3:21 pm
I believe any topic which is about zen practise, emptiness, full moons, or cat and dog poopies etc etc can be constructive and of universal (zen space) service, yet most topics are dominated by talk about members asserting or negating each others words/experiences and it's rarely helpful (apart from the very observation of the arising of these various mental constructs) I could talk about zen practise all day if it is required but when there's no question regarding practise or there's no interest in my 'personal experiences' then I have lost the need to start talking. I enjoy talking with people but mostly on forums it's not a matter of talking with but talking to which often distorts in the usual collecting of talking in favour or talking in opposition of some persona, when it comes to 'meditation'...
do you have a girl friend?
may want to try to going to cinema, go to fishing, reading a book or playing basketball.

-relax
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Re: The Full Moon

Post by fuki » Sat Oct 12, 2019 5:59 pm

Spike wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 4:55 pm

When a thread is put in the lounge it seems to be a clear signal that it is an 'anything goes' topic: not serious, not even necessarily anything to do with zen.
Ah yes, zen is not excluded from the lounge indeed so gems might appear or not, in any case I think you agree when topics become more about the (self-affirmation of the) messenger then the message then no matter what the topic title it's best they be moved to the lounge?
This can be an invitation to free expression, but also a warning not to attach too much importance into the ensuing dialogue, both of which can be useful.
Sun faced Buddha, Moon faced Buddha :)
But, bottom line, it is also just another label, like reiun, spike, good, bad, indifferent, soup, nuts, beemer, dog, cat, etc.
True, not attached to labels we are able to use them freely, hence there should be no issue or emotional reactivity necessary in the differentiation between the lounge and main forum, as a function, I've never in the past thought the lounge was 'not-zen' (me and larry and others have said enough about that) but in function there are ofcourse differences between the various forms/designated areas.
would rather hear about someone's experience of zazen or koan practice than hear someone lecture about it as a concept.

viewtopic.php?f=17&t=682
Yes, that's a beautiful example.
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Re: The Full Moon

Post by Spike » Sat Oct 12, 2019 6:00 pm

:fencing:
loves' the unjust wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 5:17 pm
fuki wrote: I enjoy talking with people but mostly on forums it's not a matter of talking with but talking to which often distorts in the usual collecting of talking in favour or talking in opposition of some persona, when it comes to 'meditation'...
do you have a girl friend?
I vote you stfu.
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Re: The Full Moon

Post by fuki » Sat Oct 12, 2019 6:08 pm

Since we're in the lounge now I don't mind answering....
loves' the unjust wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 5:17 pm


do you have a girl friend?
Plenty, but I figure you mean a sort of cultural monogamous romantic relationship?
Then, no.
may want to try to going to cinema
Just happened to go to S&M 2 a few days ago (metallica)
go to fishing
As a vegan, I don't hurt animals for food or "sports/entertainment"
reading a book
Did you read the link I provided which I included because it touched upon your post regarding the arising and "stopping" of thought?
https://theconsciousprocess.wordpress.c ... ic-sanity/
Often you don't reply to what members write at all I noticed, but keep replaying the same scenario over and over as if you were talking to yourself and we are just a piece of paper to write upon.
or playing basketball.
I shoot lots of hoops in my youth with the neighbour kids, was quit talented at it also, a very enjoyable sport to play with comrades.
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Re: The Full Moon

Post by fuki » Sat Oct 12, 2019 6:10 pm

Spike wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 6:00 pm

I vote you stfu.
I vote I stfu too! :lol:
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Re: The Full Moon

Post by Spike » Sat Oct 12, 2019 6:55 pm

fuki wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 6:10 pm
Spike wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 6:00 pm

I vote you stfu.
I vote I stfu too! :lol:
[SPOILER]
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I need Larry to tell me what the spoiler means!
loves' the unjust wrote: go to fishing
stfu=should try fishing urself
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