Zen Practice (Emptiness Concept)

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Re: Zen Practice

Post by Spike » Thu Oct 10, 2019 8:17 pm

loves' the unjust wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 7:10 pm

i feel more motivated than ever.

As a lay person after 15 years where i find my self and after all those struggle, the concept of emptiness.

It's a concept now but miraculously motivated me %100.what remains me is to make it real.

miraculously by doing nothing.

i know how to fill it's inside.
I doubt it. You're probably gonna need another miracle.
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Re: Zen Practice

Post by Spike » Thu Oct 10, 2019 10:05 pm

loves' the unjust wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 7:10 pm
what remains me is to make it real.
miraculously by doing nothing.
True dat! I believe you already have that act down pat.
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Re: Zen Practice

Post by loves' the unjust » Fri Oct 11, 2019 9:53 am

Spike wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 10:05 pm
loves' the unjust wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 7:10 pm
what remains me is to make it real.
miraculously by doing nothing.
True dat! I believe you already have that act down pat.
my aim is to achieve that goal 24/7
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Re: Zen Practice

Post by fuki » Fri Oct 11, 2019 5:49 pm

loves' the unjust wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 9:53 am

miraculously by doing nothing.


my aim is to achieve that goal 24/7
Kind of funny sounding since Emptiness is the foundation of all your activities :cat:

Anyways there's no use talking/thinking about any of this, observation is of better service.
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Re: Zen Practice

Post by avisitor » Fri Oct 11, 2019 5:52 pm

loves' the unjust wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 9:53 am
Spike wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 10:05 pm
loves' the unjust wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 7:10 pm
what remains me is to make it real.
miraculously by doing nothing.
True dat! I believe you already have that act down pat.
my aim is to achieve that goal 24/7
How do you achieve nothing? By doing nothing?
To me, it requires effort.
Effort to sit and do the exercise. Follow the steps.
Of course, having a teacher would help. Along with a sangha.
But, we do what we can. And follow what is available.
Still, achieve nothing by doing nothing?
What kind of recipe is that??

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Re: Zen Practice

Post by Spike » Fri Oct 11, 2019 6:10 pm

Agree. Just to be clear, my comment was meant sarcastically.
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Re: Zen Practice

Post by fuki » Fri Oct 11, 2019 7:09 pm

avisitor wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 5:52 pm

To me, it requires effort.
Effort is not necessary unless effort is needed, hence when effort is needed it appears.
ironically we need a lot of effort before life-practise becomes effortless, spontaneous.
True meditation or non-meditation is when there is no mind for practise, this is just being natural and spontaneous, no effort or contrivance. But we must not compare our practise with others, much better to support each other.
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Re: Zen Practice

Post by loves' the unjust » Fri Oct 11, 2019 8:43 pm

avisitor wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 5:52 pm
loves' the unjust wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 9:53 am
Spike wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 10:05 pm
loves' the unjust wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 7:10 pm
what remains me is to make it real.
miraculously by doing nothing.
True dat! I believe you already have that act down pat.
my aim is to achieve that goal 24/7
How do you achieve nothing? By doing nothing?
To me, it requires effort.
Effort to sit and do the exercise. Follow the steps.
Of course, having a teacher would help. Along with a sangha.
But, we do what we can. And follow what is available.
Still, achieve nothing by doing nothing?
What kind of recipe is that??
Can you comprehend what i mean when i say emptiness?

that which i spent my last week with trying to explain it.

All the answers are there.

There is nothing to think in emptiness.
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Re: Zen Practice

Post by loves' the unjust » Fri Oct 11, 2019 9:27 pm

The way is not taken by empty words or talk
it is taken by taken the boat of emptiness
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Re: Zen Practice

Post by [james] » Fri Oct 11, 2019 10:44 pm

loves' the unjust wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 8:43 pm
Can you comprehend what i mean when i say emptiness?
that which i spent my last week with trying to explain it.
All the answers are there.

There is nothing to think in emptiness.
If you attach a condition or attribute to emptiness,
aren’t you “putting something into” emptiness thereby making something other than ... ?
not that that is possible.

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Re: Zen Practice

Post by loves' the unjust » Sat Oct 12, 2019 12:34 am

[james] wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 10:44 pm
loves' the unjust wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 8:43 pm
Can you comprehend what i mean when i say emptiness?
that which i spent my last week with trying to explain it.
All the answers are there.

There is nothing to think in emptiness.
If you attach a condition or attribute to emptiness,
aren’t you “putting something into” emptiness thereby making something other than ... ?
not that that is possible.
My talk is to understand the mentality behind emptiness.

Once the point is taken there is nothing out of it.

Like everyday is a good day. :D
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Re: Zen Practice

Post by Spike » Sat Oct 12, 2019 12:45 am

loves' the unjust wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 8:43 pm
Can you comprehend what i mean when i say emptiness?

that which i spent my last week with trying to explain it.

All the answers are there.

There is nothing to think in emptiness.
I don't think anyone here really understands what you mean when you say emptiness. It is evident you do not "understand" it yourself. And unfortunately your English language skill is still a work in progress making much of what you write a challenge to decipher.

The idea that you can instruct zen students and other readers about this subject, while denigrating zen masters/teachers as "so-called", is laughable and insulting. Your practice is Following White, not zazen or zen practice. Your comments make a mockery of this thread.
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Re: Zen Practice

Post by loves' the unjust » Sat Oct 12, 2019 6:28 am

Spike wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 12:45 am
loves' the unjust wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 8:43 pm
Can you comprehend what i mean when i say emptiness?

that which i spent my last week with trying to explain it.

All the answers are there.

There is nothing to think in emptiness.
I don't think anyone here really understands what you mean when you say emptiness. It is evident you do not "understand" it yourself. And unfortunately your English language skill is still a work in progress making much of what you write a challenge to decipher.

The idea that you can instruct zen students and other readers about this subject, while denigrating zen masters/teachers as "so-called", is laughable and insulting. Your practice is Following White, not zazen or zen practice. Your comments make a mockery of this thread.
What you do understand, in this world?

Did you understand void? Did you understand enlightenment? did you understand zen? ...etc
you don't right.

Zen is understanding the emptiness basically.

Emptiness is zen.

There is nothing to think in emptiness.

What is it that you don't understand in these words?

Practice for understanding, mine are some practical knowhow.which tie down me.as i said earlier.

be a good person

not a hooligan like the many other do
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Re: Zen Practice

Post by [james] » Sat Oct 12, 2019 12:28 pm

loves' the unjust wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 12:34 am
My talk is to understand the mentality behind emptiness.
Once the point is taken there is nothing out of it.
Like everyday is a good day. :D
Yes, one can say that once the point is taken, there is nothing out of it but, it can, must, also be said that there is nothing out of it whether or not the point is taken. Indeed, every day is a good day ... even the miserable days.

I cannot see that there is a “mentality behind emptiness”. There is not a behind, above, within etc. emptiness. There is only emptiness.

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Re: Zen Practice

Post by Spike » Sat Oct 12, 2019 1:32 pm

loves' the unjust wrote:
What you do understand, in this world?

Did you understand void? Did you understand enlightenment? did you understand zen? ...etc
you don't right.
In my practice, there is no effort to understand these questions intellectually. So "right", yes, of course.

Your effort to explain these questions is misguided, and potentially misleading to others. So far, two others here have pointed out somewhat the same thing to you (i.e., emptiness not a "concept", no mentality behind emptiness), to no avail. This is starting to leak into Bob_Widget territory.
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Re: Zen Practice

Post by [james] » Sat Oct 12, 2019 2:16 pm

Spike wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 1:32 pm
This is starting to leak into Bob_Widget territory.
Nothing wrong with that, and I don’t agree with the statement.
Where IS Bob?

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Re: Zen Practice

Post by Spike » Sat Oct 12, 2019 2:47 pm

Banned.

(Check zenguide.)
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Re: Zen Practice

Post by loves' the unjust » Sat Oct 12, 2019 5:20 pm

There is only emptiness
This is zen mind.

It is called the zazen mind.

There is nothing to think in emptiness.

May we all practice this empty mind once and forever

for the benefit of all!
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Re: Zen Practice

Post by [james] » Sat Oct 12, 2019 6:00 pm

loves' the unjust wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 5:20 pm
There is only emptiness
This is zen mind.
There is only emptiness.
And, let’s leave out the only.

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Re: Zen Practice

Post by lindama » Sun Oct 13, 2019 5:22 am

:113: :113: :113: :113: :113:
well then, welcome to the back of the bus.... where is Bokki? Buddhism is free of attachments.... Alan Watts talks about how you can't terrify your monks.... think about it.... what human nature is. Human nature is essentially good.

"if you don't understand, put on your clothes and eat your food".

"the more you make an effort to be genuine, the more of a fool you become..."



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